Originally Posted by luigi90210 (Post 2155856)

i hear that a tune can prevent ringland failures but i have read cases about it happening to 100% stock cars and how subaru went to great lengths to research the owners interests(the one story that stood out to me the most was that subaru denied a warranty claim for ringland failures on a 100% stock car all because the owner liked to watch the rallycross X Games event and he "might" have over reved it to cause the failure) plus the only way to avoid ringland failures is to go aftermarket and if you do that, your warranty is as good as gone

not that Mitsubishi's warranty is any better but i would rather have a lack of warranty then having warranty but being denied a claim all because the manufacture things you "might" have done something


@KenChan
my definition of good money probably isnt the same as your definition of good money, im making good money for a 19 year old(about 3k/month) and right now most of that money is being dumped into insurance($2500/6 months) for my car, car payments(about $600) and rent(about $1200)
the rest goes into eating, gas, and other misc items
i dont really have any extra money to spend so another car payment isnt out of the question if i get a turbo 4banger, i can buy outright but im not going to buy a honda or some other cheap beater car/rice rocket(which is all i can really afford to buy outright) and on top of it have insurance go up on me...

please dont say what i can and cant afford without knowing my financial situation first, its kind of rude...

@everyone else, i appreciate your opinions on the matter, i know this is a Z forum so i expect everyone to be bias towards the Z(heck i am bias sometimes as well) but i also want some real opinions on the matter
thanks

Originally Posted by edub370 (Post 2156554)

Don't u think that's kinda sad that the ecu parameters in that car are so narrow, and the ecu is so unadaptable to the SLIGHTEST afr change that it causes catastrophic engine failure??

Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 2155676)

The old Eclipse handles as well as a new Beetle. I still say go for a Beetle Turbo. Heck, it's more of a chick magnet than a Z, look at how many chicks are driving it

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2156579)

Don't be offended by Ken's advice... Cuz it's the same advice I gave you and it's good advice. Pay off the Z bruh... Then buy a turbocharged car to play with. I realized the Z was NOT the best mod investment after purchase. I thought $18k budget for turbocharging the car was good. I was wrong. It's like a $35k budget to do it right. It disappointed me. I don't like doing half a job so i am going to do with the Z what Ken said, Make it mine with personalization and getting the best out of suspension mods etc... Power mods will be minimal.
Now i'm upset about Z modding cost, but being upset and not liking my Z are 2 different things. Basically I'm saying. I know how you feel. I rent camaro's and vettes alot. They have way more power and fill a void the Z can't give me. But the Z fills a void those cars can't give me too... In other words. no car under $80k will be close to perfect. But you can have a couple cars in your life that can fit different roles in your driving mood. Pay off the Z. Keep it. Then buy a STi, Evo, or even a Juke Nismo. Buy what YOU like. We don't pay your bills so our opinion only holds so much weight..
People will throw all types of philosophies on you. I can give you my philosophy on BRZ's that many won't agree with. Opinions are like azzholes. In the end the decision is yours.

:tup: GL

Originally Posted by MMC Racing (Post 2156006)

You are making the classic younger person mistake of car hopping. Even if you hop to a cheaper car, you won't be happy and hop again. You are making peanuts for living in the San Diego area, so take some advice and think really hard about the financial impact of your decisions.

Originally Posted by mick (Post 2156585)

for me the coolest things about the VW Beetle are the insurance rate is very low and you have the confidence that no guys would want to steal anything from it.

Let's say you had to park your Z outside overnight, there is a chance that some bad guys might steal your tires/rims. With the Beetle, you don't have to worry about that :-)

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2156560)

Par for the course on a turbo car if you run it hard.

Messing with the air tract on an FI car is much different than something NA.


The only reason you hear about these issues on subarus more than other cars is the types of people that own them and how they drive.

Originally Posted by edub370 (Post 2157405)

I have a 1998 Volvo s70 t5. It runs 9.5psi factory. Ran 13psi with boost controller and without afr correction. Currently runs 18psi tuned, on the stock motor, as strong as it ever did. It's my dd, and currently has 170k miles on it. I know about afr on turbo cars. Subaru owners ARE NOT prone to cry to their manufacturer more about there cars more than any other car owners (i am also a member of kc subaru). That engine has had that problem since 02 and Subaru refuses to address the problem. Its not the owners, or the "air tract" on afr cars

Originally Posted by edub370 (Post 2157491)

Pistons are one thing, rings are another. The pistons have nothing to do with poor ring quality. And yes, since this platform has been in use, it has been a problem

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2157709)

Source please?

The problem has only been common in the EJ257, mostly as a result of the hypereteutic pistons.


If you think piston construction doesn't have anything to do with these failures, you should do some more research as to what a ringland is.

Every STI I've seen that has run into ringland issues has had all the telltale signs of detonation prior to issues, with an owner too hard-headed to fix the root cause.

Originally Posted by luigi90210 (Post 2160795)

a quick google search will show the severity of the issue, it happens with modified cars(which is understandable if the car isnt modded correctly), cars with exhausts, and stock cars(i have read a few stories as well) and its most common with WRX and the STi

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2160802)

Shows the severity of the issue in pre-08 cars? I can't find anything.



I'm very familiar with the issue and what it stems from. I would not hesitate to buy one (I did), nor would I hesitate to recommend it to a friend (I hear shadoquad is enjoying his)

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2160802)

(I hear shadoquad is enjoying his)