The next gen Z!
 

So i've been reading that the next gen is going to be maybe smaller in size, leaner and instead of using the current 3.7 liter v6, they are going to use a turbo 4.

Personally i don't like that idea. I would like them to improve on the v6 if possible.

What do you guys think?

I prefer Turbo Charged I/V 4 over v6 anyday! The weakness of the current 370z is lack of torque. 270 Ib/ft torque is bit outdated. I hope next gen z will fix that. Bottom line is FI FTW!

I think DI is the next upgrade to increase HP/TQ. A turbo 4 imho is a step backwards. May as well turbo/sc the V6.

a turbo 4 will not be adequate. Nissan doesn't have a turbo 4 in their stable large enough to pull duty. Realistically, I see a direct injected V6 continuing to use VVEL, possibly growing to 3.8L. I wouldn't be surprised if we see 100hp per liter. I do see a move from a steel frame to an aluminum which will drop at least 100lbs, most likely more. Moving to aluminum across their entire lineup sharing the same front midship platform will assist in keeping costs down. It will also increase their fuel economy as standards rise.

I think it depends on what Nissan decides they want to pit the car against. If they want to continue to compete with the Mustang/Camaro/Genesis (at least in price) then we're going to see a beefed up V6, maybe forced induction, maybe not.

If they decided to take it in an FRS/BRZ direction then we're going to see a smaller, lighter Z with a turbo 4.

That's my opinion at least.

If you dont believe a turbo 4 is enough then just look at the Cobalt SS/TC. It has 260 hp stock and its from 08. If Nissan goes that route then it will be closer to 300 im sure. I used to have one I picked up over 50hp with a downpipe and tune. It was making like 300/320 with the stock turbo. There are several people making 350+ on stock turbo. A factory turbo car has tons of potential. Imagine getting a big turbo kit for 2-3k and make 450+ hp. Many people with Cobalts are there and beyond. ZZP has one making 650+ on the stock block.
The NA V6 is almost at its limits. DI will pick up 20hp on a good day but then that is going to cause issues getting bigger injectors at least for awhile.
To keep costs down and make more power its either a small displacement V8 or a turbo 4.
Im rooting for V8 but I like to dream lol.

I'd like to see the Z go bigger ala Toyota Supra. Put a turbo on the current V6 for 350 lb-ft, 400 hp, < 3500 lbs. Add mini back-seats like the TT.
Then come out with a smaller sports car to compete with the BRZ and miata.

Nissan's seems to be pushing their racing creds a lot lately (GT Acadamy, Deltawing, Altima V8 touring car) but they only offer one high volume sports car. They need to label the GTR an Infiniti, and split the Z-cars into two tiers.

I like companies that offer a low-price/high-price sports car pairs. Think Celica/Supra, Miata/RX8, Camaro/Corvette, BRZ/STI, MustangV6/V8, Soltice/GTO. That structure allows a low bar to enter the brand, and then a more mature option to grow into.

240Z and 400ZX

^^ I am rooting for turbo 6. FI applications are always mod friendly to begin with then NA. But then again, DI is also what I expect to see on the nex gen.

I would love to see a two tiered option small V8 (VK50 cough) and a turbo 4. That would be sweet!

I hear it will have Miata doors, and will be made of left over parts from the F-L-A-W-L-E-S-S 04.5 350Z

Here is why I don't think a turbo 4 is a wise decision based on what turbo 4's are putting down in this current market. 300-325hp is about the best your going to get without getting destroyed by poor mpg. Not only that, when you start factoring in the power curve, it will feel like an anemic 4 cylinder until the turbo spools up. Nissan isn't going to reduce their usable power band to get a nicer torque number, especially any future Nismo models. VVEL will most likely be removed for the turbo model for heat issues and that sacrifices emissions and fuel economy.

The torque curve on the current V6 very broad and flat, which is amazing in its self. It goes to prove the performance advantages of VVEL. What most would prefer outside of a turbo is an improvement over what we already have. Moving to direct injection will improve gas mileage, improve the torque, and improve power. If they bump up to 3.8, it will again increase torque and power. I'm going to go off on a limb and say at least an improvement of 30hp and 30lbft of torque over the Nismo model. With the weight loss and downsizing they plan to do, it will be very competitive to the New Cayman S, as well as the current crop of American V8's while most likely trailing the Corvette.

If Nissan wants to compete with the FRS/BRZ, they will need something smaller, and will most likely have to engineer a new smaller rwd chassis as well. Or they can take the Juke AWD, mate is to a manual gear box, throw a new design on it and call it a day. They might even go as far as improving the Jukes performance and mating it to a 6 speed. Up the boost to put out 200-210hp, put it on a diet and badge it a Nismo model.

also a lotta turbos from the factories are not built to high enough tolerances... i blew my 2011 sti's IWG in less then 10k miles.... they dont always hold boost the way there so-post to.... and a lot of your power curve is depend on the tune which they dont always get right from the factory

A Z with in 4 Cylinder is not a Z. The Z has been a 6 Cylinder forever. The 6 Cylinder is part if the Z heritage just as the three gauge cluster.

While VVEL dose a good job, I Feel it is holding back the Tq. Don't get me wrong. The Tq comes on strong and Fast and stays, but it nothing like my old 2006. My 2006 N/a had more Tq then my 2011. My 2006 did not carry the Tq throughout the Pw band like my 2011, but peek numbers where better.
I would like to see a 3.7 TT /w Direct injection @ 500Hp and a lighter weight in the next Gen Z.

Your confusing the built in lag from the stock ecu tuning for no low end torque. It's a bit of a gray area in how to make the gas pedal more responsive thru tuning, but it's not the motor. I'll guarantee the next gen Z has something similar to reduce wear on parts and prevent amateurs from looking like jackasses when trying to take off.

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dropping to a 4 cyl would be a slap in the face to the Z name. the whole car is based on tradition/heritage of the original as you can see up til now 40 some years down the line.

a factory boosted 6cyl is what needs to happen. i mean they got a turbo on a juke and they cant fit a Z with a couple? :bowrofl:

I agree that it depends on where Nissan wants to go with the car. A turbo 4 would move it down to the class of the FRS/BRZ and would also increase sales numbers if they bring the cost down with it. A turbo 6 would help it keep up with the Pony cars. A DI N/A V6 and some weight reduction could keep it trying to compete with the Boxster/Cayman.

I think we're more likely to see a 400 HP Z than 500 HP, just because Nissan would like to keep more separation from the GT-R.

:tup: A 4-cyl (or even an 8-cyl), might be a performance improvement, but it just ain't a Z.

I don't know about everybody else, but my daily driver seldom sees WOT anyway. When it does, I'm quite happy with what I get. YMMV :)

Thread necro wtf?!!?!? :confused:

O, wait...nevermind, just yet another repeat... :rolleyes:




Nissan will do what it takes to remain competitive, period. Otherwise, the Z will die off.

400 hp is already a pretty good number for the z IMO. But meanwhile I'd like to see they bump the TQ to 300+. I absolutely root for turbo 6.

And don't worry about the GTR. By the time Z has 400+ hp, GTR would be somewhere around 600. Big brother will always be big brother;)

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Throw on top drivetrain differences, and they will never be close to comparable.

a V-8 option in the Z would be interesting. they do fit since forsberg has one in his formula D car and then i found this guy too...

http://www.street-cover.com/wp-conte...1/su4c9130.jpg

A small V8 would be awesome for the Z, but I don't see it happening ever.

Should bough some properly sized tires for the rims, and pick the damn car off the floor.

cmon bro its totally stance!

:bowrofl:

im not a fan of that either. i had the undersized tires and that how stance bullshit :tup:

The new mustang is just as fast as an m3 on the track... Nissan needs to step their game up!

And the next gen Mustang coming out in 2014 is supposed to be even faster.

That's why I'm glad i leased the 370z so by 2014-2015 I can have good options to get into

I wish Honda still made the s2000 beefed up

Yeah I'm planning on getting either the new Mustang or the C7 in 2014. Gonna sell or trade in the Z when I do.

:facepalm:

:rock:

I think this is the engine we'll be battling against...

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...h92siCchFeuTEg

Not genesis coupes and FR-S's :)

not gonna lie.....that is pretty sexy haha :bowrofl:

Just like in that article and with the vision Nissan wants to go with the car you can expect a smaller Z with a 4 cyl turbo before you can expect a 6 cyl turbo. I hope I am wrong as that would break from tradition. But with the pressure to stay competitive and mpg friendly etc etc. Going bigger isn't the safest bet. Nissan will play this close to the vest until they are ready to debut the next model. Maybe Nissan can once again be the innovater and shake up the category while sticking with a 6 cyl and remain very competitive. Only time will tell.

Man this forum makes me think not very many people are happy with their Z. I am looking forward to 2014/15 tho and hopefully a mustang that doesn't look so much like a mustang.

I didn't read through this entire discussion, so forgive me if it's been brought up already, but I just read the other day...forget where, sorry (maybe CarBuzz?)...that Nissan is potentially working on reanimating the 240 to compete with the BRZ/FR-S. They'll probably keep the Z around as a more premium sports car option.

Nevertheless, yeah, I agree with a lot of the sentiment that the V6 needs some upgrading. I love my car, and I always liked the VQ since my Maxima days, but it needs more torque on the low end. Hell, I'd be happy with a moderate HP boost if it got a significant torque increase

And not that I'm concerned with gas mileage (would be driving my wife's Altima if I was) but it'd be nice to hit 30mpg, like the V6 Mustang.

yea its carbuzz. nothing confirmed yet, but its looking like there is a good chance the 240 will come back for that segment and the Z will keep the 6, some version of it anyway.

you're on the right track... Peep this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=bV505LKqU_4

Turbo 4 -> Silvia/2x0SX.

The Z car will go 4 pot when the Vette drops its V8.

I'm still sad it doesn't have a strait 6 :D

- b

In hindsight I wish I wouldve kept my Cobalt SS but I do love my Z its gorgeous and RWD. My only real knock is just how expensive the aftermarket is and how relatively few options we have. If Nissan would get behind promoting the aftermarket and working with some of these companies I think a lot more people would keep their Z's