I have a feeling there will be mustang/camaro type options for the next Z like the Z32 had.

Z needs to she'd some pounds , didn't the guy jay Leno visited say that was fur sure?

Yes, and I doubt we'll get lighter weight with an upgraded v6. I've read in a few other articles they want to bring the Z down to 3,000lbs. To have a v6 and that kind of weight would take porsche pricing.

I dont think so. i mean with some steel parts swapped for aluminum you could save some but then beings in safety issues. stock 370 weighs 3232lbs. 232 pounds could prorbably be shaved without costing ridiculous Porsche "over"-prices.

:iagree: More aluminum and possibly more CF as well.

hopefully more CF lol i still have every intention on switchin to a GT-R asap though lol

With a V6 and safety equipment???? for 30k? I don't see it. The cost of alloys that are sports car worthy are high. As it stands right now we have a shytload of aluminum and carbon fiber. Remember, our cars are 92lbs lighter without the airbag system. Our seats, radio and motor are lightweight along with our radiator housing, driveshaft, and wheels. the only thing we can do is go all aluminum on the body which may shave another 80 lbs, make the airbags lighter, maybe 20 lbs? and make the engine smaller. 100 lbs. Thin out the interior and put an even lighter weight sound system. maybe 40 lbs? Go smaller wheels next time. 17 and 18 another 24 lbs?
Possible but how much will the car be with more of the expensive alloys and carbon fiber we already have without reducing engine size?

smaller chassis and engine, we can use more alloys while still using minumum alloys in cost.

Don't forget that they wanted to make the cars dimensions a bit smaller too.

i wasnt tryin to get into a full out spec sheet on weights just speculation on whats to come. i see what youre sayin though but 30k? cmon who buys base models :stirthepot: jk and busting balls.

with any car that progresses it will most likely have a slight jump in price but i dont think it'll go anywhere near ridiculous porsche prices. and to be honest i'd take a Z over a cayman any day. maybe not the 13 cayman because i think they finally got the body looking good but for price and performance i'd stick with a Z. HP is about the same so is 0-60 and 1/4 times to a cayman.

Nissan 370Z Coupe: 4.6 seconds 0-60 / 1/4 mile (coupe): 13.1 seconds at 108 mph

the porsche is 4.7 seconds 0-60 (4.4 with optional 7 speed DCT) in the Cayman S with 13.1-13.3 depending on source 1/4 mile for way too much money. you're paying for the badge and name not the (lack) in performance.

[QUOTE=b1adesofcha0s;2055359]Don't forget that they wanted to make the cars dimensions a bit smaller too.[/QUOTE

Our VQ barely fits in the chassis we have now. lol

Common dude. Are u comparing freakin quarter mile times to distinguish these two cars? Take a cayman around a corner, or evaluate how everything is put together on the 2 cars then maybe u will understand why they are "way too much".

I know what you mean, I mean 30k range, should have sid that. I think we'll see a drop in the base price of the next gen Z by $1000 from the 2014 model. Nissan always does that at the start of a new generation with the Z. But the upper prices are going to be higher than whats out i'm sure.

I'm not saying a lighter car will cost porsche prices. I'm saying that the v6 wont be able to make a 3000 lb car and thats the goal. To keep the V6 it would be too costly. Corvette is a 3100lb v8, look at its pricing. with a discount it starts @ 44k, without 50k. Nissan doesn't discount Z pricing and they will not be giving us corvette,cayman chassis designs for half off. lol Thats all I'm saying. Maybe hyundai can though?:roflpuke2: They're the kings of discount performance.:stirthepot:

They could go with a smaller displacement turbo V6.

A couple easy way's for them to shave weight... Remove the spare, and make run flats standard, and make the entire frame all aluminum while using steel where absolutely necessary. I don't think Nissan is going to shrink their wheelbase much lower than 100 inches, that's just asking for a twitchy and darty car. Nissan did not necessarily confirm that they were going smaller, but they did say they will not go larger, and intend to reduce the weight. The size of the vehicle is fine, there is plenty of ways to reduce the weight. And for the record, the V6 easily fits, they cram V6's in smaller spots. BTW, some of the costs is because they only build them in Japan.

hence why hyundai's performance is far less lol you ever race a genesis coupe? it's a joke :bowrofl:

also you can get discounts you just gotta know the right people....trust me. :stirthepot:

@UNKNOWN_370

I saw that video a couple weeks ago. The 240 I was referencing was the 240sx. I'm surprised Jay was so excited to be going to Nissan. He's always talked about how the Z (newer ones) never did much for him. Not bad-mouthing them, just not his taste. I guess he was just into it for the history, as a car guy.

3.0 again? haha :roflpuke2:

waitttttt asecond....are we still talking about cars? :wtf2:

:yum:

i donno, i'd have to see the final specs and drive it to give you an opinion. if that 4banger turbo can be had reducing overall weight of the car, that can be a good thing. i'd like to keep the car to do at least sub-5.5sec 0-60 and if overall size and weight can be reduced for a tighter handling car, i might actually like it.

i think technology is the key here... this next gen 4 banger could be nothing like the 4bangers we've seen in the past.

Well said. Driving is so much more than 0-60 etc. Try actually using the car, all 6 or 7 gears on roads that arent straight. The difference between European and US driving is readily apparent in a lack of obsession here with straight line speeds.

Brake performance and cornering matter sooooooooooooooooooo much more than just stomping the gas.

They are both good sports cars. Im happy with my Z and would be with a Cayman as well. If you have either life is good.

I thought about that too. a 2.7 wouldn't be feasibly efficient for a v6 which would bring us to the tried and true 3.0 displacement. 3.2 would be the largest they,d be able to go before the engine gets too big.

My vision goes like this...

A well engineered 2.4 i4 can pull 220-250hp NA, while in house turbo plumbing can bring it to 320-370hp stock, with room to expand out to 500bhp fairly inexpensively. On a 3000lb chassis, that would easily compete against a 2015 BRZ turbo, 2014 porsche cayman turbo, and the next iteration of the genesis coupe which I can see being a 380hp N/A engine with a 10 speed auto. lol
Throw in a close ratio much improved 6 speed transmission,8000rpm redline and bring out the first DCT with DRM as the newest high tech installation on the Z and we're good to go. :)

Lastly, a longer hood with our small engine pushed all the way to the back for better balanced, lower stance, lower roofline, maintain our width. Handling will increase, power will probably stay the same as now, torque will probably increase and we'd probably have a consistent 4.5 second car to 60mph and sub 13 quarters with the weight reduction. maintaining our width, reducing a little weight in the suspension and keeping our current tires widths... We should exceed the current handling statistics by a pretty big margin????

Sounds good to me. :tup:

I read somewhere that Nissan is now sharing engines with Mercedes. Does anyone know what they have to offer the new Z?

Since when did Caymans and BRZ's magically get turbo's when they are brand new with no plans to add them?

Since 2014...

2014 Porsche Cayman Turbo - Top Speed

BRZ Will Finally Get Factory Turbo Power in 2014 - Autoholics

They have said well over a year ago they were building a turbo version of the FA20 but currently they were only going to put it in the WRX. The last news I read for an upgraded Subaru 86 car was a higher NA engine from factory.

There is one recurring theme I see here... RUMORS. Why in the blue hell will Porsche put turbo's on their entry level vehicle when they have the 911, 911 turbo, 911 GT2, 911 GT3, 911 GT3 RS. I don't see them breaking their price and performance model when they can up sell them if the customer wants more. With both vehicles, I'm all for seeing them with more, but at this time, I don't think we will see them come from the factory with turbo's for a while.

Hey guys I was wondering if you guys wanna get some signatures from everyone on this website that regardless of what Nissan does with the next gen z, please take care of their quality control for their paint standards.

Thanks for handling that.:tup:

Cayman won't go turbo. Think about it logically guys. They won't want to step on the 911's toes by doing that.

Why do you guys keep mentioning porshe.. A z shouldn't cost more than 35-37k anymore more than that and the package is not worth it

A turbo brz will be probably be 32k tops ?

Putting anything other then a 6 in a Z would be like running something other then a 8 in a Vette. There would be riots in the street LOL.

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Logically to achieve > 30mpg and keep up with ridiculous legislation they will need to do this at some point, however entry level makes more sense.

An S model putting out 300+ HP does not as it steps too close to base 911's which is the flagship (and has long been a problem with the Cayman S anyway...)

Personally, I am curious if a Porsche engineered H4 will sound like a Porsche at that point. Thought the 944 was a fantastic handling chassis, the I4 in it was anemic at best.

For the Z car, the history around the Z has been the affordable sports car. People seem to want it to be sub-super car in this thread. Why? Suggestions for more performance/less weight will drive cost up significantly. Not to pick on anyone, but an all AL frame will mean a 80K+ car. Remember the NSX? :)

I think the A8 still is mostly AL. If it was feasible they would use it also in the A4/A6 which are the profit places for Audi but its simply not cost effective at those market levels.

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Pretty sure both those articles stated the word "rumors" multiple times. The FRS going FI, your confusing an optional TRD supercharger, not installed from the factory. As for the Porsche, they are already achieving 30+ mpg without turbo's, and why go turbo for a measly 25hp over the 6? Turbo's are not the remedy to better performance when your putting it on a puny motor. There is not a single 4 banger turbo making the 350hp from the factory that the Nismo is rated. Let alone the 911 GT3RS 4.0 flat 6 that pushed out an astonishing 500hp right out of Stuggart. Yes you can make that power with a turbo 4, but the powerband will not be remotely close to being as usable or enjoyable on a track or in more pedestrian situations.

I personally don't see turbo's as the only saving grace of the auto industry to improve fuel economy, it's just a different way of getting the same results. Power is never free. V6's in passenger cars are already exceeding 30mpg. From an engineering standpoint, it's not all about the motor. The transmission, tire sizing, weight, and aero will all play a critical role. Mark my words, I guarantee there will be 400hp 6 cylinder high performance N/A motors achieving 30+mpg without turbo's.

Concluding points I'm making, I still feel it's very unlikely we will see turbo's in the Z, FRS/BRZ, or the Cayman for a while. The turbo is not the cure for everything, sound engineering is. Nissan has an amazing engineering team and will most likely produce an evolution as opposed to a revolution to the Z. The 370Z is a successful automobile at what it was designed to compete with. I see the Z getting incrementally more expensive, but I don't see it as a problem, it just opens a nice space for true inexpensive performance car in the lineup.

FRS has never been confirmed for FI. BUT, the BRZ. The articles are here and the word "RUMOR" is non-existent for the BRZ and the porsche is in between fact and fiction which in terms of how articles are written. It seems like it's more than likely.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...ICGCcX4arqZ7jg

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...Ss5QCo8bXQNKkQ

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...pX7X7kTjm1t21A

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...EOoxiGFZN5Gbzw

Turbo's aren't "the saving grace of the auto industry". It's the saving grace of the Tuner-Enthusiast market.

I do what I can :tiphat:


And SS_Firehawk the question isn't why, the question is why not. In the Porsche lineup the die hards will pay the premium to get that turbo badge on it. And is a BRZ STI really an STI without a turbo? Like Unknown_370 said these are confirmed. The FRS will get the optional TRD Supercharger treatment just like the Tc.

Brz.sti will be 250hp na. Would love to know where these get these random facts

Yes the initial release of the STI was supposed to be a 20-30hp bump na. Then the release was changed to have a turbo. I am assuming since they are releasing a turbo this trumps the na version. Subaru confirmed turbo. Not random facts. I guess you can just wait a couple years to see it hit dealer floors to have your confirmation since we can't fast forward time.

But by your logic I do not understand where you get the BRZ STI will be 250hp na (220-230 stated by Subaru). Would love to know where these random facts come from. I mean I can't put my hands on one so it is just random facts and Subaru hasn't confirmed that either right? :rolleyes:

I have links above on the BRZ.

2/3 of your BRZ links say no turbo for the BRZ :confused: