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cavemancan 12-28-2012 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 2080436)
:iagree:

Next gen G is going to be revealed at the Detroit Auto Show in January (along with the C7) so that should give us an idea of what we can expect for the next Z's engine.

Good that should drive C6 Z06 prices down and make me a happy camper! :driving:

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Originally Posted by JungleZ (Post 2080467)
WOW no thanks on the new C7, they are going with Camaro esque tailights it looks like..I cant afford it anyways but Time to save for a used Z06 unless the new Z can blow my mind.
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...psfd7e4f5c.jpg


How to F-up the rear end of a 458 Italia...Give to GM = Fail



Edit: Moving photchop...lol! Mustangs and Z's...no way!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGTwGoMMPvw

cavemancan 12-28-2012 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dragonbreath (Post 2080760)
I think I read somewhere that Nissan and Infiniti were going to divorce the Z/G union and make them completely separate cars. That the two would no longer share similar chassis and drivetrain.

** edit: This link says that the next gen G will be based off of the Mercedes C class platform. According to this rumor, I don't think the G will be an accurate indication of what we will be seeing for the next gen Z.

Infiniti Super G with 530-hp Twin-Turbo V-6 in Pipeline - Motor Trend

"Q. Another source was suggesting that both platforms and engines will be built by Mercedes. Is this true?


A. No. While one or two models will employ Mercedes technology, our main powertrain will be a Nissan developed direct injection engine based on the current VQ series engine block, but with a totally redesigned head unit. We will only use a four-cylinder diesel from Mercedes."

"Q. And what about that high performance model you mentioned?

A. I thought you might ask about that. We have an all-new engine in the pipeline that will only be built in Japan, as it requires specialized production methods only available here. It is a totally new 3.7-liter direct injection, twin-turbocharged V-6 that is being built for our new IPL (Infiniti Performance Line) range of high-performance vehicles. Targeting the likes of the C63 AMG and M3, it will generate upwards of 530 hp."

"Q. What about pricing? Won't this IPL be expensive?

A. The 530-hp IPL-spec G will probably be priced at around the same price as the GT-R if not a fraction more. Given that the basic C63 AMG costs (in Japan) around 10 million yen, that is where the IPL will be priced, I feel."


- The last one sums it up...we are NOT getting a twin charged engine for the Z unless they bump the price by $20k

UNKNOWN_370 12-28-2012 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by cavemancan (Post 2080796)
"Q. Another source was suggesting that both platforms and engines will be built by Mercedes. Is this true?


A. No. While one or two models will employ Mercedes technology, our main powertrain will be a Nissan developed direct injection engine based on the current VQ series engine block, but with a totally redesigned head unit. We will only use a four-cylinder diesel from Mercedes."

"Q. And what about that high performance model you mentioned?

A. I thought you might ask about that. We have an all-new engine in the pipeline that will only be built in Japan, as it requires specialized production methods only available here. It is a totally new 3.7-liter direct injection, twin-turbocharged V-6 that is being built for our new IPL (Infiniti Performance Line) range of high-performance vehicles. Targeting the likes of the C63 AMG and M3, it will generate upwards of 530 hp."

"Q. What about pricing? Won't this IPL be expensive?

A. The 530-hp IPL-spec G will probably be priced at around the same price as the GT-R if not a fraction more. Given that the basic C63 AMG costs (in Japan) around 10 million yen, that is where the IPL will be priced, I feel."


- The last one sums it up...we are NOT getting a twin charged engine for the Z unless they bump the price by $20k

Or unless there is some secret FI 4 banger we don't know about. Nissan is good for holding secrets and popping out with surprise cars and motors.:excited:


the new g is now the Q and I'm dying to see the corvette final product. so far, not diffing the renderings, but I'm sure the stats will be sicker than ever.

m4a1mustang 12-28-2012 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2080374)
Yeah but we're kind of different. I was shopping for a Frontier and ended up with an S2000.


CLOSE ENOUGH. :bowrofl:


http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/gallery/pa...201__file__med

:bowrofl:

UNKNOWN_370 12-28-2012 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2080333)
Speaking of Toyota... have you seen the crash test results for the Camry and Prius in the new "small overlap" IIHS test? Holy crap they were HORRIBLE. I was always under the impression that Toyota was pretty good at crash structure.

http://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1..._600/image.JPG

The driver would be absolutely MANGLED in this type of crash.

Question is... What the hell are they doing @ Toyota??? From safety leaders to safety failures? Why the inconsistency in quality??? Toyota lead the way from 1985-2002 and then???? First the loss of all viable sports cars. Then sterilizing the drive feel and performance of all Toyota's. Now they are going back to being unsafe vehicles, a reputation from the 70's. Talk about taking 5 steps forward and 10 steps back.

theDreamer 12-28-2012 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2081063)
Question is... What the hell are they doing @ Toyota??? From safety leaders to safety failures? Why the inconsistency in quality??? Toyota lead the way from 1985-2002 and then???? First the loss of all viable sports cars. Then sterilizing the drive feel and performance of all Toyota's. Now they are going back to being unsafe vehicles, a reputation from the 70's. Talk about taking 5 steps forward and 10 steps back.

They grew to fast and lost focus quickly and cut corners.

m4a1mustang 12-28-2012 08:51 AM

Agreed. Too much focus on cost cutting and chasing #1 automaker in the world.

In that crash the dash board and steering wheel shifted so far up and to the right that the driver's head glances off the edge of the airbag and smashes into the dash. :facepalm:

It's really only marginally better than Chinese car crash performance.

Spikuh 12-28-2012 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2081067)
They grew 2 fast and 2 furious, lost focus quickly and cut corners.

:happydance::driving:

m4a1mustang 12-28-2012 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Spikuh (Post 2081108)
:happydance::driving:

Well played, sir. :tup:

b1adesofcha0s 12-28-2012 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2081093)
Agreed. Too much focus on cost cutting and chasing #1 automaker in the world.

In that crash the dash board and steering wheel shifted so far up and to the right that the driver's head glances off the edge of the airbag and smashes into the dash. :facepalm:

It's really only marginally better than Chinese car crash performance.

It was too grounded to the ground :icon17:

theDreamer 12-28-2012 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Spikuh (Post 2081108)
:happydance::driving:

:tup:

UNKNOWN_370 12-28-2012 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2081093)
Agreed. Too much focus on cost cutting and chasing #1 automaker in the world.

In that crash the dash board and steering wheel shifted so far up and to the right that the driver's head glances off the edge of the airbag and smashes into the dash. :facepalm:

It's really only marginally better than Chinese car crash performance.

There hasn't been a Toyota I've wanted to own since 1996. I honestly wouldn't touch a Recent toyota or honda with a 10 foot pole. I'd rather shop Hyundai/Kia as foreign alternatives. (If i were even in that market for a car)

m4a1mustang 12-28-2012 09:01 AM

I'd touch a FT86 but that's not a pure bred Toyota.

I feel the same way as you. Supra was the last Yota I cared about.

OK I lied, I like the older Tacomas. Not the new ones. But that's it.

b1adesofcha0s 12-28-2012 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2081121)
I'd touch a FT86 but that's not a pure bred Toyota.

I feel the same way as you. Supra was the last Yota I cared about.

:iagree:

UNKNOWN_370 12-28-2012 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2081121)
I'd touch a FT86 but that's not a pure bred Toyota.

I feel the same way as you. Supra was the last Yota I cared about.

OK I lied, I like the older Tacomas. Not the new ones. But that's it.

I would touch an FT only if they got there $$$$ values right. This car as it is right now is NOT worth entertaining the thought of spending nearly $30k. If the max pricerange on these were $23-26k? I'd be pondering the car. @ nearly $30k... I laugh. :icon18:

for the price they ask now? The car should at least have a BBK, better rims and tires

zguynate 12-28-2012 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by cavemancan (Post 2080796)
"Q. Another source was suggesting that both platforms and engines will be built by Mercedes. Is this true?


A. No. While one or two models will employ Mercedes technology, our main powertrain will be a Nissan developed direct injection engine based on the current VQ series engine block, but with a totally redesigned head unit. We will only use a four-cylinder diesel from Mercedes."

"Q. And what about that high performance model you mentioned?

A. I thought you might ask about that. We have an all-new engine in the pipeline that will only be built in Japan, as it requires specialized production methods only available here. It is a totally new 3.7-liter direct injection, twin-turbocharged V-6 that is being built for our new IPL (Infiniti Performance Line) range of high-performance vehicles. Targeting the likes of the C63 AMG and M3, it will generate upwards of 530 hp."

"Q. What about pricing? Won't this IPL be expensive?

A. The 530-hp IPL-spec G will probably be priced at around the same price as the GT-R if not a fraction more. Given that the basic C63 AMG costs (in Japan) around 10 million yen, that is where the IPL will be priced, I feel."


- The last one sums it up...we are NOT getting a twin charged engine for the Z unless they bump the price by $20k

Oops. I guess I should have read a little more of the article lol. I stand corrected. There is mention of a supercharged QR25 in there. Granted its fwd but it could be the Z motor if Nissan decides to downsize the Z and put a rwd variant in there.

Red__Zed 12-28-2012 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2081130)
I would touch an FT only if they got there $$$$ values right. This car as it is right now is NOT worth entertaining the thought of spending nearly $30k. If the max pricerange on these were $23-26k? I'd be pondering the car. @ nearly $30k... I laugh. :icon18:

for the price they ask now? The car should at least have a BBK, better rims and tires

I'm inclined to agree, but costs on everything fun have gone through the roof...look at what the Z is selling for now.

25k is the new 20k

UNKNOWN_370 12-28-2012 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2081170)
I'm inclined to agree, but costs on everything fun have gone through the roof...look at what the Z is selling for now.

25k is the new 20k

Only problem their is that as far as salaries go, today's $65k is yesterday's $75k. while prices are going up, jobs do not give adequate cost of living raises as compared to the time. The Z I agree is overpriced. I still don't understand how a fully loaded tour/sport nav costs more than $41k today. In 2009, It didn't look to me as being a car worth more than $36k. There's about a $3k premium, automatically built into these sports cars and its pretty unfair. But what can you do??? At the end you can only choose which car you will allow to rape your wallet.:eek:

m4a1mustang 12-28-2012 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2081130)
I would touch an FT only if they got there $$$$ values right. This car as it is right now is NOT worth entertaining the thought of spending nearly $30k. If the max pricerange on these were $23-26k? I'd be pondering the car. @ nearly $30k... I laugh. :icon18:

for the price they ask now? The car should at least have a BBK, better rims and tires

Yeah $30k is ridic! Under $25k for a loaded BRZ would be more appealing.

m4a1mustang 12-28-2012 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 2081116)
It was too grounded to the ground :icon17:

I guess the rims and sleekness to the body that guys like don't offer much in the way of safety.

UNKNOWN_370 12-28-2012 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2081230)
Yeah $30k is ridic! Under $25k for a loaded BRZ would be more appealing.

$25k would make it the best dollar for dollar sports car out there. @ 30k the BRZ is bordering base Z's CamaroSS, ChallengerRT,and mustang GT's.

Then throw in you can get a turbocharged 274hp TURBO gencoupe with 4 piston brembo's all around, torsen LSD 6 speed manual on 19's with re50 bridgestones for $28k??? hmmm

JungleZ 12-28-2012 10:27 AM

I got a base non sport z 31k, took me about 3000$ to make it respectable and I still don't have akebono brakes or LSD, so the sport package was a good deal at 34 or 35k untill they hiked up he 2013 prices.
Brz close to 30k markup is a joke

UNKNOWN_370 12-28-2012 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ (Post 2081294)
I got a base non sport z 31k, took me about 3000$ to make it respectable and I still don't have akebono brakes or LSD, so the sport package was a good deal at 34 or 35k untill they hiked up he 2013 prices.
Brz close to 30k markup is a joke

Sad part is not a markup, it's an MSRP. If you load up a BRZ with every option, it's an extremely laughable $31,500.:roflpuke2:

cavemancan 12-28-2012 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2081067)
IT grew 2 fast and 2 furious lost focus quickly and cut corners.


I think my girlfriend said the same thing last night... :ughdance:

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Originally Posted by JungleZ (Post 2081294)
I got a base non sport z 31k, took me about 3000$ to make it respectable and I still don't have akebono brakes or LSD, so the sport package was a good deal at 34 or 35k untill they hiked up he 2013 prices.
Brz close to 30k markup is a joke

Solution: Buy used...All the Z's are more or less the same with little updates. I bought mine this year with 19k miles on the clock for $27k. 2009 Touring Sport...Ding Fries are done.

cavemancan 12-28-2012 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by dragonbreath (Post 2081157)
Oops. I guess I should have read a little more of the article lol. I stand corrected. There is mention of a supercharged QR25 in there. Granted its fwd but it could be the Z motor if Nissan decides to downsize the Z and put a rwd variant in there.

Yeah I saw that too but got to lazy to post...lol

UNKNOWN_370 02-23-2013 07:01 AM

I lol @ FWD!!! They can't be serious with that BS. :roflpuke2:


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