The next gen Z!

SS_Firehawk

Did you guys see how long GM stuck to it's 3800 series motors? Honda is still using it's SOHC. Direct Injection is definitely not a band-aid and takes re engineering to package it. I think this may be the last full revision of the VQ before it's replaced, I just don't think Nissan is going to leave their venerable motor die off without hitting it's pinnacle. That VQ is in the GTR destroying the confidence of rich people everywhere. I don't see mny complaints about it's application there. And the CVT's aren't going anywhere. It's not a bad option, they are more efficient, smoother, lighter, and more compact. I own an 11' Maxima and it's a fantastic vehicle. When vehicles start having more gears than our bicycles, you won't know the difference. It's all in the programming.

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Red__Zed

Where? The R's are completely different than the D.



Probably because there isn't one.



There's a fundamental materials advance that needs to happen before the cvt is a legit contender in anything performance based.

RoshDawg

@Firehawk, wasn't bashing their performance in non sports cars.

I do hope Nissan focuses on the other important things as well. Such as transmission, braking, and steering feel. I really feel like they'll make the jump to dual clutches.

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UNKNOWN_370

Skylines are just as revered, if not MORE revered in Japan. The VQ would be better suited in the car that made the VQ famous in the first place. The Skyline/G37.

SS_Firehawk

Contrary to Red_Zed belief, it is an extension of the VQ family. Was also referring to the J series motors as they are V6's that are more of a direct comparison to the VQ.

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Red__Zed

"Extension of" being the key phrase--what exactly is shared between the two again?


J series? You mean the screamer from the MDX that is several years newer? I guess I missed where the j was being put into a rwd sport coupe.

SS_Firehawk

You come in to every forum tagging everything in quotes trying to disassemble an argument, try again when you are actually correct.

J series are in every single Honda vehicle that has a V6. And since when did chassis have anything to do with an argument over engine design? Honda went with the SOHC design because it's more compact and easier to fit trans-mounted. Again though, not part of the argument. As a reminder, it was why Nissan is sticking with the VQ and not redesigning it. BTW, the VQ is only a few years older than the J series.

The entire engine block share the same design concepts with other VQ's. I'll let pictures do the talking, everyone likes pictures.







Looks like family to me... CVT wasn't brought up as a potential use for performance vehicles, sometimes I agree with you, but this is one of the many things we don't meet eye to eye with.

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Red__Zed

yes, two years. the discussion was specifically around continuing the VQ in the Z, not in general. I imagine Nissan will continue to use it in SUVs and other such vehicles. They may even continue in the Z, but doing so is basically giving up on being competitive in the market.









good lord. I hope you are trolling.





trollol

CSA0890

Edit: Im dumb

SS_Firehawk

Those are pictures of the HR and the VR block. More akin to comparing an LS2 to an LS7. What Im saying is it is indeed part of the VQ family and designed to meet the higher demands of forced induction. The J series was referred only as a cited argument to long cycles of use before a complete redesign of an engine. There are more similarities than differences between the pics. A closed deck is not significantly different than and open. VHR blocks can be purchased as closed decks.

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SS_Firehawk

They gonna give it a back seat too? And Prius tires? Where's my ROFLcopter? While we are at it, lets give it cast 17x7 in rims and a plastic interior.

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ZMan8

You do realize the gensis coupe has an engine option of 3.8 liter v6 that costs as much as our z.





Why would nissan want the z (a true sports car) to start competing with cheaper/ slower sports coupes...? Frs/brz , genesis, mustang, camaro are all sports coupes. The reason there are so many is because people buy the cheaper option ones that arent even "sporty" whats the ratio of v-6 mustangs to the gt mustangs?

Sports coupes will always outsell 2 seaters because they are more daily friendly and practical. The z will compete with sports cars like base corvette , bmw z4, audi tt, porsche boxster/cayman. Besides the vette those cars are relatively low volume csrs like the z. They market the car as you get equal or greater performance for 50-75% of the the cost.

Therefore nissan is smart enough to keep the z where it is and improve its performance with trubo and/or direct injection & weight reduction; while developing either a mini z or sylvia to compete with frs/brz, v-6 mustangs/camaros, and 2.0t genesis.

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b1adesofcha0s

To boost sales numbers

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ZMan8

Well what i was meant is why would it go to competing with cars that are worse. .makes no sense

Also Imo They dont need to necessarily boost sales on the z. It's a niche car bought mostly by enthusiasts and young professionals. Nissan already has huge volume cars like altima maxima sentra versa rogue murano etc.

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b1adesofcha0s

I don't agree with it either, but making/selling cars is a business so it's all about making money. The Z is no longer Nissan's global halo car, they have the GT-R for that. More sales = more money. The Z is all about being an affordable sports car and dropping it down to compete with the BRZ would fit that model. I think they'd probably keep the car's overall performance the same as it is now, but with a turbo 4. I can see the Z being a more upscale version of the BRZ.

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