Driving Impressions: New 911 S vs. Z

JungleZ · 12-11-2012, 12:51 PM

My dad makes good cash and even he's not buying 90k cars, how the hell do you guys do it

show2nite · 12-11-2012, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ

My dad makes good cash and even he's not buying 90k cars, how the hell do you guys do it

Word from the wise

Never ask another man how he is making his money. Hustle Hard.

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-11-2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by lemon-fresh

I guess... I still feel like if you put a new viper against an NA 911, the 911 ends up looking really overpriced for what you get. Might as well go with a cayman S instead, if you are all about the refined driving experience.

Obviously it comes down to preference, but I would be thinking "what if" every time I saw a 911Turbo drive by. If you are gonna spend all that money, might as well get the fastest one of the model line.

You're talking a $50k difference. Thats two cashier jobs. I spent $70k last year on two cars. It hits you. Your logic would be better suited when it comes to a 28k loaded mustang v6, or a $34k base mustang GT with track pack. $6k vs 50k on a porsche. If he was rich like that? I'm sure he would opt for the fastest car. But let's pretend that one car is indeed faster than the other but both feel the same in terms of G's in the cockpit? And lets pretend that the op has no intersted in going past 150mph? Wouldn't he be satisfied with owning this car that may be slower but feels as fast as the faster car??? It's all subjective yes. But a porsche is still a lot more aggressive than the Z he came from soo... congrats to OP.

Pelican170 · 12-11-2012, 01:32 PM

Didnt the Z beat out the Cayman in track tests?? And thats why it had the selling point of being "x" dollars less and out driving it??

Maybe this was a few years ago and they have redone the Cayman in the past years? Not sure, but I know that was the case at one point in time...

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-11-2012, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pelican170

Didnt the Z beat out the Cayman in track tests?? And thats why it had the selling point of being "x" dollars less and out driving it??

Maybe this was a few years ago and they have redone the Cayman in the past years? Not sure, but I know that was the case at one point in time...

I wouldn't say beat, but it was definately a drivers race. The cayman was much better in giving a precise refined ride and was smoother in the corners. The Z was a more rambunctious muscley type car in terms of behavior. Though the Z was able to be more precise than the cayman. It took more effort to achieve that precision. The z beat the cayman S by a hairline win, but in other tests the cayman has also won. It's been boiled down to a drivers race or brutish muscle versus refinement or which one can you afford?

Pelican170 · 12-11-2012, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I wouldn't say beat, but it was definately a drivers race. The cayman was much better in giving a precise refined ride and was smoother in the corners. The Z was a more rambunctious muscley type car in terms of behavior. Though the Z was able to be more precise than the cayman. It took more effort to achieve that precision. The z beat the cayman S by a hairline win, but in other tests the cayman has also won. It's been boiled down to a drivers race or brutish muscle versus refinement or which one can you afford?

Ok, thank you for the explanation. With having that said, people would really rather have a Cayman S compared to a 370z when they are soooo close in performance and so much different in price?

Maybe im missing something but it just doesn't add up to me...

Magic Bus · 12-11-2012, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ

My dad makes good cash and even he's not buying 90k cars, how the hell do you guys do it

It's all about priorities.

bigdog1250 · 12-11-2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pelican170

Ok, thank you for the explanation. With having that said, people would really rather have a Cayman S compared to a 370z when they are soooo close in performance and so much different in price?

Maybe im missing something but it just doesn't add up to me...

Yes they're very close in performance, but it's how you get that performance and the overall feel of the car that sets the Porsche apart.

Again, if you haven't driven one it's hard to understand.

lemon-fresh · 12-11-2012, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

You're talking a $50k difference. Thats two cashier jobs. I spent $70k last year on two cars. It hits you. Your logic would be better suited when it comes to a 28k loaded mustang v6, or a $34k base mustang GT with track pack. $6k vs 50k on a porsche. If he was rich like that? I'm sure he would opt for the fastest car. But let's pretend that one car is indeed faster than the other but both feel the same in terms of G's in the cockpit? And lets pretend that the op has no intersted in going past 150mph? Wouldn't he be satisfied with owning this car that may be slower but feels as fast as the faster car??? It's all subjective yes. But a porsche is still a lot more aggressive than the Z he came from soo... congrats to OP.

You will pull more G's in a car with more acceleration, and you will feel it going 0-60mph. I just personally wouldn't mess with porsche's until I could afford the best. If I'm spending 100k+ I'd rather buy top of the line in another brand, mostly because I can get supercar performance if I look elsewhere.

It's just how I feel, and I fully admit I've never driven a porsche.

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-11-2012, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by lemon-fresh

You will pull more G's in a car with more acceleration, and you will feel it going 0-60mph. I just personally wouldn't mess with porsche's until I could afford the best. If I'm spending 100k+ I'd rather buy top of the line in another brand, mostly because I can get supercar performance if I look elsewhere.

It's just how I feel, and I fully admit I've never driven a porsche.

I've driven a boxster and cayman. I been a passenger in a 911. The 911 was older. I'm not sure a cayman is worth paying double than a Z, BUT, there's definitely an inherent sense of quality and control over the car that is NOT replicated by Nissan. As far as this brand new 911 goes. I seen it in person, and it looks like its worth more than 100k. I thought the carrera was a turbo. The car is insanely flaired out and much faster than past carrera's.

RoshDawg · 12-11-2012, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by lemon-fresh

I guess... I still feel like if you put a new viper against an NA 911, the 911 ends up looking really overpriced for what you get. Might as well go with a cayman S instead, if you are all about the refined driving experience.

Obviously it comes down to preference, but I would be thinking "what if" every time I saw a 911Turbo drive by. If you are gonna spend all that money, might as well get the fastest one of the model line.

I would never get a 911 Turbo (forgetting about the huge price increase). I enjoy NA cars, now perhaps if you interchanged 911 Turbo with 911 GT3, which I would prefer over my C2S (whenever it does come out), I would still not be asking myself 'what if'. I buy what I can comfortably afford, and in the lower 100K price range, the 911 is the car best suited for me. Until you have driven one, you can't compare it to other more powerful cars like the Viper. Its the same principle as the Z. Even though the Z is less powerful than a similarly priced Mustang 5.0, a lot of us here like the 'feel' of a Z more than a Mustang. Oh and the Cayman S does not have the same feel as the 911. No matter what the review people tell you, you know the engine is in the back and you drive accordingly.

The only time I would say 'What if' is if I saw a GTR (not the Viper), and that does not mean I would ever trade my 911 for a GTR.

RoshDawg · 12-11-2012, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by lemon-fresh

You will pull more G's in a car with more acceleration, and you will feel it going 0-60mph. I just personally wouldn't mess with porsche's until I could afford the best. If I'm spending 100k+ I'd rather buy top of the line in another brand, mostly because I can get supercar performance if I look elsewhere.

It's just how I feel, and I fully admit I've never driven a porsche.

A fellow member on 6speedonline got this with stock tires:

Do you really need more G's than that?

I agree with you, it does depend on preference. The preference being if you prefer lateral vs longitudinal G force, luxury vs performance, and so on.

But its next to impossible to tell a 911 owner they overpaid for their car. Its almost like a cult car (or at least it was).

Oh and longitudinal G force with launch control is 1G for future reference, not sure how much it is on a viper (I'm sure Viper can do even more)

gymtime · 12-11-2012, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RoshDawg

Lotus, viper, GTR, the z and the 911 are all such different cars, but the 911 is closest to the z out of that lot. I was trying to decide between the GTR And the 911, and went with the 911 because of
1. The looks (very subjective)
2. Porsche brand and the engineering behind it
3. The refinement and lack of NVH, the supple ride that can change completely to a track car in a jiffy, and the feel of the interior.

I don't think the AWD component takes away from the GTR being a drivers car, I think it adds to it with the excitement you get with how it goes around corners, and remember you can turn those system aids off.
Here really is no substitute to the 911, perhaps the Maclaren (my dream car), but the price on one of those is a hard pill to swallow.
Oh and exit speed in a corner is outrageous in the 911, honestly I'm in shock with how much grip it has.

A car being able to transform from comfort to performance is a very underrated feature. And sitting in the 911, you feel like you're in a 100K sports car. That's a good thing. And the ergonomics of the car is superb. It really gives you the feeling of a cockpit, with great visibility too.

Gymtime, if you are indeed buying a 911, I know a little too much about the Porsche Configorator, so if you want someone to review your build I'd be more than happy to.

Sent you a PM

lemon-fresh · 12-11-2012, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RoshDawg

I would never get a 911 Turbo (forgetting about the huge price increase). I enjoy NA cars, now perhaps if you interchanged 911 Turbo with 911 GT3, which I would prefer over my C2S (whenever it does come out), I would still not be asking myself 'what if'. I buy what I can comfortably afford, and in the lower 100K price range, the 911 is the car best suited for me. Until you have driven one, you can't compare it to other more powerful cars like the Viper. Its the same principle as the Z. Even though the Z is less powerful than a similarly priced Mustang 5.0, a lot of us here like the 'feel' of a Z more than a Mustang. Oh and the Cayman S does not have the same feel as the 911. No matter what the review people tell you, you know the engine is in the back and you drive accordingly.

The only time I would say 'What if' is if I saw a GTR (not the Viper), and that does not mean I would ever trade my 911 for a GTR.

Cool, interesting perspective. What about lotus?

RonRizz · 12-11-2012, 07:06 PM

for the price you could pick up a GTR and a Z.
I'm just not understanding the comparison. Go the other way, and test drive a Yaris, come back with your thoughts compared to the Z.

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