Genesis Vs. 370Z

dad · 02-19-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

Yes it does. Ask any body shop or insurance company. I have personally had a accident that wasn't dead center and the airbags didnt' go off. The sensor is in the center of bumper area of the car, and if it doesn't get impacted, it won't go off.

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The airbag covers are intact, which means no airbag deployment. The airbag covers split in the midde (into top and bottom halves) when the airbag deploys, so it's not possible to "push" the airbag back into the steering wheel. Besides, unless it was refolded correctly, there's no way you could get it to fit back in there anyway. It's kind of like packing a parachute.

I saw this when it first hit the net, and read every article I could find on it, most of them bashing Hyundai for the airbags not deploying because they have no idea whatsoever about how the SRS system works. The airbag control module is the "brain" of the airbag system. It uses input from the various impact sensors (angle of impact, velocity), as well as occupant information (weight, seating position, seatbelt use, etc) to determine whether or not to fire the airbags in a collision, which ones to fire, etc. The airbag system is a SUPPLEMENTAL restraint system, meant to work as a means of restraint secondary to seat belt usage. The seatbelt holds you in the proper position for airbag deployment. I know from reading the articles on this accident that neither occupant was wearing a seatbelt at the time of the accident, and that both were severely injured. You can see the force with which the driver hit the steering wheel, as evidenced by the bend at the top. The driver likely suffered severe chest/abdomen/head injuries. As bad as that is, however, the SRS control module took all of these factors into consideration and determined that it was safest NOT to deploy the airbags in this particular accident. Had the airbags deployed, the unrestrained forward momentum of the driver and passenger colliding with the force of the deploying airbags certainly would have killed them both. It is sad that they were injured, but this is why there are warnings in the owner's manual and in the car stating that you can be killed or injured if the airbags deploy and you aren't wearing your seatbelt.
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If the passenger wasn't wearing the seatbelt. Then why isn't the windshield damaged, from his head/body impact? There is no way he could remain in the seat "unrestrained", and not kiss the windshield!

NIZMOZ · 02-19-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by zsport1

There is no doubt that Hyundai has made vast improvements over the years. But my opinion is based on experience. I travel often for work and have rented and driven several Hyundai products. And even though the quality has improved it still feels like a cheap product. Overall quality? Go check that list again and you will find that Infiniti ranks above Hyaundai. Yes, a Nissan product.

Harsh? No not really.

Hyundai still isn't a premium brand, but they still are higher than Nissan. Most of their cars haven't been that good, but as of the past 2 years, they have dramatically changed. The Genesis is one of the best cars I have seen and been in for quality. It is just as good as a Lexus.

NIZMOZ · 02-19-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dad

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The airbag covers are intact, which means no airbag deployment. The airbag covers split in the midde (into top and bottom halves) when the airbag deploys, so it's not possible to "push" the airbag back into the steering wheel. Besides, unless it was refolded correctly, there's no way you could get it to fit back in there anyway. It's kind of like packing a parachute.

I saw this when it first hit the net, and read every article I could find on it, most of them bashing Hyundai for the airbags not deploying because they have no idea whatsoever about how the SRS system works. The airbag control module is the "brain" of the airbag system. It uses input from the various impact sensors (angle of impact, velocity), as well as occupant information (weight, seating position, seatbelt use, etc) to determine whether or not to fire the airbags in a collision, which ones to fire, etc. The airbag system is a SUPPLEMENTAL restraint system, meant to work as a means of restraint secondary to seat belt usage. The seatbelt holds you in the proper position for airbag deployment. I know from reading the articles on this accident that neither occupant was wearing a seatbelt at the time of the accident, and that both were severely injured. You can see the force with which the driver hit the steering wheel, as evidenced by the bend at the top. The driver likely suffered severe chest/abdomen/head injuries. As bad as that is, however, the SRS control module took all of these factors into consideration and determined that it was safest NOT to deploy the airbags in this particular accident. Had the airbags deployed, the unrestrained forward momentum of the driver and passenger colliding with the force of the deploying airbags certainly would have killed them both. It is sad that they were injured, but this is why there are warnings in the owner's manual and in the car stating that you can be killed or injured if the airbags deploy and you aren't wearing your seatbelt.
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If the passenger wasn't wearing the seatbelt. Then why isn't the windshield damaged, from his head/body impact? There is no way he could remain in the seat "unrestrained", and not kiss the windshield!

Look at the steering wheel. It looks like he came up and smashed it. Pretty obvious.

dad · 02-19-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

Look at the steering wheel. It looks like he came up and smashed it. Pretty obvious.

Steering wheel damage is from the driver.I'm referring to the passenger.

NIZMOZ · 02-19-2009, 01:55 PM

Ahhh gotcha.... No idea on that one.

Epik · 02-19-2009, 02:02 PM

So the bags didn't deploy because it would've done more harm since the driver wasn't wearing his seat belt?

Lug · 02-19-2009, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Epik

So the bags didn't deploy because it would've done more harm since the driver wasn't wearing his seat belt?

Could be. Positive seat belt signal means the driver and passenger are oriented in the correct direction to go face first into the airbag. If you are not wearing a setbelt you could be reaching over the back seat, turned around, etc. I have no idea if that is the actual reason, just thinking out loud. Seems more like lawsuit concerns than safety at that point, though.

alefcole · 02-19-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

I think you are arguing with the wrong person buddy. I am the one defending Hyundai.

I am just showing your table. SO PEOPLE CAN SEE THAT ACTUALLY HYUNDAI RANKS BETTER THEN NISSAN.

For the ones that believe that infinity is equal to nissan. Lets me put it this way. All the good reliable parts go primary to infinity, whats left goes to their cheaper brand.

Thats why a simple way to look for a true luxury brand is to look if they have a cheaper RE-brand or not. This goes for brands like toyota and honda. Actually hyundai doesn't, so they just use quality parts on their products period.

alefcole · 02-19-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

True. The Genesis is actually going against the G37 coupe. 2+2. The Z is a pure sports car.

And i thought PORSCHE was a true sports car.

AK370Z · 02-19-2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

True. The Genesis is actually going against the G37 coupe. 2+2. The Z is a pure sports car.

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Originally Posted by alefcole

And i thought PORSCHE was a true sports car.

alefcole, I think you're misunderstanding nismoz's statement. He is simply saying that Z is 2 seater so it should be compared to cars like S2000, Z4, Sky redline, crossfire etc. On the other hand, Genesis should be compared to G37, eclipse, cobalt ss or other 2 doors 4 seaters.

dad · 02-19-2009, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

True. The Genesis is actually going against the G37 coupe. 2+2. The Z is a pure sports car.

I heard it referred to as a GT Sports Car (as in classification, not the GT Nissan model).

NIZMOZ · 02-19-2009, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AK370Z

alefcole, I think you're misunderstanding nismoz's statement. He is simply saying that Z is 2 seater so it should be compared to cars like S2000, Z4, Sky redline, crossfire etc. On the other hand, Genesis should be compared to G37, eclipse, cobalt ss or other 2 doors 4 seaters.

Yep! Exactly.

zsport1 · 02-19-2009, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

Hyundai still isn't a premium brand, but they still are higher than Nissan. Most of their cars haven't been that good, but as of the past 2 years, they have dramatically changed. The Genesis is one of the best cars I have seen and been in for quality. It is just as good as a Lexus.

Sorry man but I have had a Genesis sedan as a rental. 300 mile road trip. Not as nice as a Lexus. IMO. And I still don't think Hundyai is as good as Nissan. That is based on experience. Not a chart or a survey.

zsport1 · 02-19-2009, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by alefcole

I am just showing your table. SO PEOPLE CAN SEE THAT ACTUALLY HYUNDAI RANKS BETTER THEN NISSAN.

For the ones that believe that infinity is equal to nissan. Lets me put it this way. All the good reliable parts go primary to infinity, whats left goes to their cheaper brand.

It's spelled Infiniti.

RCZ · 02-19-2009, 07:30 PM

oh I see where all the heat has been coming out of in the forums.

Umm, I saw this car at the last Miami show, looked OK. The fact of the matter is that Hyundai has been improved a lot in the past couple of years, however it is no 370z. Nor is it a G37 by a long shot. Its as if you took an accord made it RWD, added a little power and slapped brakes on it and all of the sudden it's competing with the 370Z and G37?

Sorry man, I usually like to find arguments for both sides, but the Genesis is not in the same category. I would group it with SRT-4's, Civic Si's and perhaps up in the Mustang and Altima category. It wants to be high performance, but it isn't. It wants to be high luxury, but it isn't. You could say that makes it well balanced, I'd say it just wants to be a lot of things. Once you test drive both cars, you come back here and tell us what you think. If you think they are still in the same class, then please buy the Genesis.

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RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1118	oh I see where all the heat has been coming out of in the forums. Umm, I saw this car at the last Miami show, looked OK. The fact of the matter is that Hyundai has been improved a lot in the past couple of years, however it is no 370z. Nor is it a G37 by a long shot. Its as if you took an accord made it RWD, added a little power and slapped brakes on it and all of the sudden it's competing with the 370Z and G37? Sorry man, I usually like to find arguments for both sides, but the Genesis is not in the same category. I would group it with SRT-4's, Civic Si's and perhaps up in the Mustang and Altima category. It wants to be high performance, but it isn't. It wants to be high luxury, but it isn't. You could say that makes it well balanced, I'd say it just wants to be a lot of things. Once you test drive both cars, you come back here and tell us what you think. If you think they are still in the same class, then please buy the Genesis. Last edited by RCZ; 02-19-2009 at 07:40 PM.

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Epik Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: U.S. Posts: 25 Drives: 07 535i Rep Power: 0	So the bags didn't deploy because it would've done more harm since the driver wasn't wearing his seat belt?