2015 speculation

Bick · 07-31-2012, 06:39 PM

Just guessing and grasping on available information... but my gut tells me the new Z may be straight inline 6, smaller compression with turbo option. They can still drop a couple hundred pounds, granted they will drop some HP but gain torque, making it a wash with the 370 but faster acceleration. This also goes back to the 240 original 6 inline straight.

What ya guys think? It's kind of an in-between, but they can probably price it low to mid 30's base, and mid 40's to 50 with turbo.

Base model would be spanking any turbo 4 popper, and put it within reach of equivalent sport v6's for less than 10-50k.

zguynate · 07-31-2012, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bick

Just guessing and grasping on available information... but my gut tells me the new Z may be straight inline 6, smaller compression with turbo option. They can still drop a couple hundred pounds, granted they will drop some HP but gain torque, making it a wash with the 370 but faster acceleration. This also goes back to the 240 original 6 inline straight.

What ya guys think? It's kind of an in-between, but they can probably price it low to mid 30's base, and mid 40's to 50 with turbo.

Base model would be spanking any turbo 4 popper, and put it within reach of equivalent sport v6's for less than 10-50k.

What makes you think Nissan will do a straight 6?

I for one hope they dont offer more than one engine. That makes things that much harder to find parts for later on. Also no 2+2. Thats a waste because everyone knows that the back seats are useless.

lemon-fresh · 07-31-2012, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dragonbreath

What makes you think Nissan will do a straight 6?

I for one hope they dont offer more than one engine. That makes things that much harder to find parts for later on. Also no 2+2. Thats a waste because everyone knows that the back seats are useless.

I'd also like only one (good) engine choice. Lack of an "affordable" offering makes things a little more exclusive. I dont need to see a Z in every household, see mustang.

Magic Bus · 07-31-2012, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by lemon-fresh

google "240z dimensions"

first result

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Originally Posted by binary0x01

Always works. Google is magically magical.

Funny guys

Now that I have time to look it up, thought the stats of 2 sportscars back in the day, might be interesting.

1969 240Z Stats:
Wheelbase 90.7"
Length 163"
Width 64"
Height 50.5"
Weight 2,302 lbs
161 hp, 146 tq

1969 Corvette
Wheelbase 98"
Length 182.5"
Width 69"
Height 47.8"
Weight 3,091
300 hp, 380 tq

The Iconic 1969, 240Z was a small, light and relatively underpowered car. Yet it became a car everyone loved. Just food for thought.

ZMan8 · 07-31-2012, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Magic Bus

Funny guys

Now that I have time to look it up, thought the stats of 2 sportscars back in the day, might be interesting.

1969 240Z Stats:
Wheelbase 90.7"
Length 163"
Width 64"
Height 50.5"
Weight 2,302 lbs
161 hp, 146 tq

1969 Corvette
Wheelbase 98"
Length 182.5"
Width 69"
Height 47.8"
Weight 3,091
300 hp, 380 tq

The Iconic 1969, 240Z was a small, light and relatively underpowered car. Yet it became a car everyone loved. Just food for thought.

why I am disappointed with the FRS:

Length 166.7 inches
Width 66.9 inches
Height 51.2 inches (excluding antenna base)
Wheelbase 101.2 inches
Track (Front) 59.8 inches
Track (Rear) 6.6 inches
CURB WEIGHT 2737 lb
Maximum output 200hp @ 7,000 rpm
Maximum torque 151 lb.-ft. @ 6,600 rpm

Only 6 more ft lbs of torque

The classic Z was iconic because it was a simple, no nonsense sports car. light, with enough power to keep you happy. In 1969 161 hp was a lot, especially with that weight.

Magic Bus · 07-31-2012, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ZMan8

The classic Z was iconic because it was a simple, no nonsense sports car. light, with enough power to keep you happy. In 1969 161 hp was a lot, especially with that weight.

I agree. Simplicity has a beauty all of it's own.

280z/300zx · 07-31-2012, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ZMan8

why I am disappointed with the FRS:

Length 166.7 inches
Width 66.9 inches
Height 51.2 inches (excluding antenna base)
Wheelbase 101.2 inches
Track (Front) 59.8 inches
Track (Rear) 6.6 inches
CURB WEIGHT 2737 lb
Maximum output 200hp @ 7,000 rpm
Maximum torque 151 lb.-ft. @ 6,600 rpm

Only 6 more ft lbs of torque

The classic Z was iconic because it was a simple, no nonsense sports car. light, with enough power to keep you happy. In 1969 161 hp was a lot, especially with that weight.

You do realize the 240z didn't actually have 161hp right? The way horsepower was measured back in the 70's is not the same way we measure it today. Back then they did gross hp or basically hp measured at the crank with no accessories hooked up and the motor on a stand (not in the car). By todays standards the 240z has closer to 120hp. So comparing it to todays FRS isn't a fair standard. The track times clearly display this considering the 240z was anywhere from a 16.1-17.4 1/4 mile car depending on the magazine you look at. The FRS/BRZ is what, a high 14 sec car? It would eat a 240z for lunch in just about any event.

Thats not to say a 240z can't be competitive for really cheap, because it can but as someone already mentioned the safety on the 240z is horrendous. In the 70's their idea of increasing safety when they switched to the 280z was putting in a single steal beam in the door to help with side crash ratings. I love my 280z and daily drove it for years but I'm glad it's now just a weekend cruiser. Still, with very little money in mods and still non-turbo it will show a FRS a hard time in just about everything but top speed.

ZMan8 · 07-31-2012, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 280z/300zx

You do realize the 240z didn't actually have 161hp right? The way horsepower was measured back in the 70's is not the same way we measure it today. Back then they did gross hp or basically hp measured at the crank with no accessories hooked up and the motor on a stand (not in the car). By todays standards the 240z has closer to 120hp. So comparing it to todays FRS isn't a fair standard. The track times clearly display this considering the 240z was anywhere from a 16.1-17.4 1/4 mile car depending on the magazine you look at. The FRS/BRZ is what, a high 14 sec car? It would eat a 240z for lunch in just about any event.

Thats not to say a 240z can't be competitive for really cheap, because it can but as someone already mentioned the safety on the 240z is horrendous. In the 70's their idea of increasing safety when they switched to the 280z was putting in a single steal beam in the door to help with side crash ratings. I love my 280z and daily drove it for years but I'm glad it's now just a weekend cruiser. Still, with very little money in mods and still non-turbo it will show a FRS a hard time in just about everything but top speed.

O good point

I'm not directly comparing them, more so it's interesting to note that in 40 years of technology advancement and you get the FRS which today is closest thing to the formula that the original Z was base on. Miata is a roadster so i didn't consider it.

UNKNOWN_370 · 08-01-2012, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dragonbreath

Also no 2+2. Thats a waste because everyone knows that the back seats are useless.

Though I agree with you and probably 95% of the forum agrees

NOT EVERYONE in the general public will... camaro's and mustangs sell because they have USELESS back seats. If you can squeeze two kids under the age of 10 in a backseat? A Husband can justify his purchase to his wife.
Now we all know, in a mustang, there's no way in hell you will fit 2 adults comfortably in the backseat. And the camaro may leave a little more headroom but... where are the legs supposed to go??? 2+2 sells because you can do "something" with the area, whether its kids or junk storage.
You are talking from a performance drivers standpoint. The Z doesn't sell well because out of 45000+- units sold over the years. 7500 went to enthusiasts. 15000 went to. Z admirers and 22,500 sold to married men, mild life crisis guys, and retiree's getting there last breath on a nice sports car before they can't drive anymore.

The market has to be expanded. If you sell it as a 2+2, you will have an extra 25,000 units sold to some idiots who wants to throw his claustrophobic kid in the back and call it a split family and performance car all at the same time, while his kid is getting hooked on ativan's so he can survive the ride. I see mustang owners doing it every day.

Suggestive advertising in america outpowers common sense. Give an american consumer half an excuse to justify a sports car purchase to his family (ie backseats & automatic) He's on it like stink on dodoo. And in the end, these cars are built to sell. Nissan figures the enthusiasts can modify what they don't like. As long as the platform is good for the track? They can still sell to enthusiasts.

zguynate · 08-01-2012, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Though I agree with you and probably 95% of the forum agrees

NOT EVERYONE in the general public will... camaro's and mustangs sell because they have USELESS back seats. If you can squeeze two kids under the age of 10 in a backseat? A Husband can justify his purchase to his wife.
Now we all know, in a mustang, there's no way in hell you will fit 2 adults comfortably in the backseat. And the camaro may leave a little more headroom but... where are the legs supposed to go??? 2+2 sells because you can do "something" with the area, whether its kids or junk storage.
You are talking from a performance drivers standpoint. The Z doesn't sell well because out of 45000+- units sold over the years. 7500 went to enthusiasts. 15000 went to. Z admirers and 22,500 sold to married men, mild life crisis guys, and retiree's getting there last breath on a nice sports car before they can't drive anymore.

The market has to be expanded. If you sell it as a 2+2, you will have an extra 25,000 units sold to some idiots who wants to throw his claustrophobic kid in the back and call it a split family and performance car all at the same time, while his kid is getting hooked on ativan's so he can survive the ride. I see mustang owners doing it every day.

Suggestive advertising in america outpowers common sense. Give an american consumer half an excuse to justify a sports car purchase to his family (ie backseats & automatic) He's on it like stink on dodoo. And in the end, these cars are built to sell. Nissan figures the enthusiasts can modify what they don't like. As long as the platform is good for the track? They can still sell to enthusiasts.

Well put good sir.

scruffydog · 08-02-2012, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Though I agree with you and probably 95% of the forum agrees

NOT EVERYONE in the general public will... camaro's and mustangs sell because they have USELESS back seats. If you can squeeze two kids under the age of 10 in a backseat? A Husband can justify his purchase to his wife.
Now we all know, in a mustang, there's no way in hell you will fit 2 adults comfortably in the backseat. And the camaro may leave a little more headroom but... where are the legs supposed to go??? 2+2 sells because you can do "something" with the area, whether its kids or junk storage.
You are talking from a performance drivers standpoint. The Z doesn't sell well because out of 45000+- units sold over the years. 7500 went to enthusiasts. 15000 went to. Z admirers and 22,500 sold to married men, mild life crisis guys, and retiree's getting there last breath on a nice sports car before they can't drive anymore.

The market has to be expanded. If you sell it as a 2+2, you will have an extra 25,000 units sold to some idiots who wants to throw his claustrophobic kid in the back and call it a split family and performance car all at the same time, while his kid is getting hooked on ativan's so he can survive the ride. I see mustang owners doing it every day.

Suggestive advertising in america outpowers common sense. Give an american consumer half an excuse to justify a sports car purchase to his family (ie backseats & automatic) He's on it like stink on dodoo. And in the end, these cars are built to sell. Nissan figures the enthusiasts can modify what they don't like. As long as the platform is good for the track? They can still sell to enthusiasts.

I completely agree with you although I don't like the idea of a 2+2 for the Z. From the get go the Z was meant to serve the purpose of being a driver's car and it served well. I never thought the Z was meant to drive people around to meant to be convenient to everyday life chores. Sadly, these are the justifications some need to own a car as such. It is a luxuary to own an impractical like the Z. In the end of all this, as much as i enjoy seeing very few of these around the streets, I like to hope Nissan is able to continue pouring money into R&D for the next Z. As an automanufacturer, they have a lot more fire to put out to make it a likeable company while staying profitable. A lot of times if it means 90% of the market are in for a car that can do more than just taking corners fast and look sexy, more emphasize will have to put towards those cars. In Nissan, the Z is what people would "want" but less than 1/4 of those people actually pull the trigger to buy. Unless it's used or what not. Even the Nissan Maxima commercial tells the story that way....you guys remember that TV commercial where they stretched the 370z into a Maxima? Sad to say, that car pretty much borrowed most of its visual cues and technology from the 370z. Do I hate the fact that Nissan made our cars less unique because of it? Hell yes! But that's how it goes if it's bread and butter.

And you're prolly right about Nissan not spending much money on revising the 370z. It's limited bandwidth. It's not a high priority. So what if Nissan made a 370 hp boost from the last revision and reduced the 0-60s from 5.0 sec to 4.3 sec? Sure I'm super excited about it, because it can compete with the 135i and other V6s. But in terms of sales, it's not a big deal. Plus, Nissan have the GT-R to defend the brandname. (Which is why more development is put towards that car). They say when GT-R first came out in 2009, the sales was over 5000 units sold, and last year it dropped down to 500 something.

UNKNOWN_370 · 08-03-2012, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by scruffydog

I completely agree with you although I don't like the idea of a 2+2 for the Z. From the get go the Z was meant to serve the purpose of being a driver's car and it served well. I never thought the Z was meant to drive people around to meant to be convenient to everyday life chores. Sadly, these are the justifications some need to own a car as such. It is a luxuary to own an impractical like the Z. In the end of all this, as much as i enjoy seeing very few of these around the streets, I like to hope Nissan is able to continue pouring money into R&D for the next Z. As an automanufacturer, they have a lot more fire to put out to make it a likeable company while staying profitable. A lot of times if it means 90% of the market are in for a car that can do more than just taking corners fast and look sexy, more emphasize will have to put towards those cars. In Nissan, the Z is what people would "want" but less than 1/4 of those people actually pull the trigger to buy. Unless it's used or what not. Even the Nissan Maxima commercial tells the story that way....you guys remember that TV commercial where they stretched the 370z into a Maxima? Sad to say, that car pretty much borrowed most of its visual cues and technology from the 370z. Do I hate the fact that Nissan made our cars less unique because of it? Hell yes! But that's how it goes if it's bread and butter.

And you're prolly right about Nissan not spending much money on revising the 370z. It's limited bandwidth. It's not a high priority. So what if Nissan made a 370 hp boost from the last revision and reduced the 0-60s from 5.0 sec to 4.3 sec? Sure I'm super excited about it, because it can compete with the 135i and other V6s. But in terms of sales, it's not a big deal. Plus, Nissan have the GT-R to defend the brandname. (Which is why more development is put towards that car). They say when GT-R first came out in 2009, the sales was over 5000 units sold, and last year it dropped down to 500 something.

Twista · 08-03-2012, 02:52 PM

yea they cant go the way of a 2+2 for the Z car. Just like the other guy said with the maxima commercials they branded that car as the 4 door sports car. They made that into the car that dad could spend his money on and get performance as well. If they do that to the Z then it should be branded as the two door maxima. I honestly dont care what they do with the powertrain of the Z. As long as its faster, lighter, and still a two seater, then Id have no reason to not want to buy it.

Mike · 08-03-2012, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Twista

yea they cant go the way of a 2+2 for the Z car. Just like the other guy said with the maxima commercials they branded that car as the 4 door sports car. They made that into the car that dad could spend his money on and get performance as well. If they do that to the Z then it should be branded as the two door maxima. I honestly dont care what they do with the powertrain of the Z. As long as its faster, lighter, and still a two seater, then Id have no reason to not want to buy it.

The Maxima was first branded the 4DSC back in the 90s, when there was also a 2+2 300ZX, so that doesn't fly.

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07-31-2012, 06:39 PM	#1 (permalink)
Bick Base Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 16 Drives: 2011 370Z BS A7 Rep Power: 14	Just guessing and grasping on available information... but my gut tells me the new Z may be straight inline 6, smaller compression with turbo option. They can still drop a couple hundred pounds, granted they will drop some HP but gain torque, making it a wash with the 370 but faster acceleration. This also goes back to the 240 original 6 inline straight. What ya guys think? It's kind of an in-between, but they can probably price it low to mid 30's base, and mid 40's to 50 with turbo. Base model would be spanking any turbo 4 popper, and put it within reach of equivalent sport v6's for less than 10-50k.

08-03-2012, 02:52 PM	#13 (permalink)
Twista Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 12 Drives: 07 350z Rep Power: 17	yea they cant go the way of a 2+2 for the Z car. Just like the other guy said with the maxima commercials they branded that car as the 4 door sports car. They made that into the car that dad could spend his money on and get performance as well. If they do that to the Z then it should be branded as the two door maxima. I honestly dont care what they do with the powertrain of the Z. As long as its faster, lighter, and still a two seater, then Id have no reason to not want to buy it.