Era of the Muscle Car is over

benfiji

No offense to you or anyone else, but in regards to #4, anyone who believes this is simply uneducated or easily influenced by the oil companies million dollar marketing efforts to say it is BS.

fly yellow

I have never seen one piece of marketing by any oil or energy company claiming that global warming is BS. I have read and listened to many scientists that simply do not believe that global warming exists, and if it does then it is more than likely due to natural cyclical changes in the planet and not carbon emissions. I have also heard interviews with scientists claiming that they are strong armed into perpetuating this "global warming" phenomenom in order to receive any government funding for other research projects. The earth has already survived one ice age and that was millions of years before any soccer mom decided to drive an SUV. Man didn't cause that one. Maybe dinosaurs were really gassy.

I don't want to turn this into a political debate, but please don't try to say that I am uneducated or influenced by marketing that just doesn't exist. If anything oil companies will make more from this global warming scare. Gas prices need to skyrocket for the whole thing to work, and not everything can be battery operated, and even if it was we would need some kind of carbon fuel to charge the batteries. If anything the millions in marketing is being spent by those that are propogating global warming, and perhaps it is you who is so easily influenced.

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FricFrac

Agreed. Esp about being uneducated about such things. I personally believe that there is far too little data in our hundredish years of data to make assumptions about the last 6,000 or 6 trillion billion years (another debate) has any correlation between global warming and natural cycles..... regardless most believe that there is global warming which I personally believe is a good thing because it makes the mindless a little more mindful of the environment. ...and like you said not to make it a political debat but to infer someone is uneducated.... that's just wrong...

Regardless - long live the Z!

L3mming01

imo we simply take this global warming thing too far. It's there of course it is, because if it wasn't how are we not still in that ice age i've heard of? We might be speeding it up a bit, but the world is going to heat and cool as time goes. If you don't believe me then explain how there has been multiple ice ages and periods in between them when the earth was much WARMER.

Srenity

The only propaganda involved in the global warming debate is from the side that push it. The scientific community get grant money from it, the liberals get that warm and fuzzy feeling that they crave so much, and dirty politicians get money from it by selling carbon credits ala Al Gore. Is the world heating up Yes, is it caused by green house gasses partially, does the amount of green house gasses produced by people even remotely compare to the natural green house gasses created by nature NO! The oh so green rain forrest, and ocean, and animals, ect create more green houses gasses than we as Humans even think about creating.

jakoye

I would say that it is you who do not understand the scientific method. Global warming is a scientific theory, not a proven, scientific fact. It is certainly a theory that has been adopted by a majority of scientists and perhaps even by a majority of the public, but popularity has nothing to do with scientific truth.

We should be skeptical of anyone who claims that they "know" human activity is causing global warming. Many may suspect it, but no one knows it.

Even if you are one of those who believes that humans are causing global warming, the question then becomes what, if anything, is to be done about it. To bring this back to the Z, what we do will directly affect the availability and the affordability of sports cars such as the Z (and perhaps even the performance). With some of the current proposals that threaten to raise the price of oil, I could certainly see the Z becoming less of an everyman's sports car and, more like the Porsche, a car out of reach to the majority of the car-buying public.

I, for one, think that would be a crying shame.

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benfiji

I agree Global Warming is a theory not a fact...

Most people when they feel their home town is having a cool summer, etc. think global warming is a myth but 2009 temparatures recorded as of March were the 8th HIGHEST ever recorded. However when talking about global warming earth temperatures are measured in 30 year averages, not single year.

Earth's temperature 8th-warmest on record so far in 2009 - USATODAY.com

As far as the scientist who claim it doesn't exist, have you have looked to see who is paying the? Yes, it is the oil companies! Oil companies want us to purchase as much oil as possible to increase there margins. All the 'marketing efforts' since many have not seen them include paying these scientists and all the commericials saying how they are 'green' and doing research for renewable energy.

Oil Companies and Greenwashing - exxon bp shell chevron oil


Lastly, sorry all for turning this into a political thread. I do think sports cars will always be around a long as people keep buying them. They may have different technologies than today, but as consumers we can still dictate what the automotive industry creates.

fly yellow

That is where you're wrong. It is now the government that will dictate what the automotive industry creates, not the consumer. In this country the government even owns a good portion of the auto industry. People may still want sports cars, but it won't be enough of them for a car company to invest the R&D to power the things in a way that is compliant with government standards and the taxes and fines will put them out of reach of the average person. Yes, you will still be able to buy Ferraris and Porsches and Lambos, but you can plan on tacking on an extra 20-50K to the price to pay off the government for the priviledge. That may not be a big deal for the people that buy those cars. It would be a huge deal for those of us that buy cars like the Z.

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jakoye

I don't care. Really, I don't. I want gas to be cheap. I want 300+ horses under my hood. I want to hear the roar of a gasoline-powered engine, not the hum of a glorified golf cart.

And, I want that Z I'm gonna buy to stay in the low 30K range. I don't want it to be a 40/50K sports car. This is what's gonna happen if we start instituting carbon taxes.

I say "no".

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OldGuy

I say no, too.

SiXK

yeah, OK. since I am neither easily influenced by oil companies nor uneducated I am just going to let this one slide. its called an opinion. people besides you can have them. deal with it.

IMO Global warming is BS. Its a myth. Unfortunately Al Gore is real.

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