Era of the Muscle Car is over

m4a1mustang · 06-14-2009, 04:37 PM

lol this is madness.

The Mustang isn't going anywhere... and I know not to mess with them because if you run across a boosted mod motor you're toast. Those things are sick.

I'm sure you guys haven't been paying attention (and why would you?) but the 2010 GT500 is putting down 490rwhp and 511 lb-ft STOCK.

Take a stock GT500 and swap the factory blower out for a 2.8L Kenne Bell and its 752 rwhp and 681 lb-ft. And the car will take it over and over and over.

Don't get me wrong... I love my Z. It's an awesome sports car and it's great what it can do with only 3.7 liters (and it's a boost monster, too!)... but I bleed Ford Blue. There's nothing like driving a v8 Muscle Car. Nothing. It's one of the best things in the world... I can't wait 'til I'm able to have the best of both worlds.

370Z Purist · 06-14-2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

lol this is madness.

The Mustang isn't going anywhere... and I know not to mess with them because if you run across a boosted mod motor you're toast. Those things are sick.

I'm sure you guys haven't been paying attention (and why would you?) but the 2010 GT500 is putting down 490rwhp and 511 lb-ft STOCK.

Take a stock GT500 and swap the factory blower out for a 2.8L Kenne Bell and its 752 rwhp and 681 lb-ft. And the car will take it over and over and over.

But GT500's aren't even stock to begin with!

m4a1mustang · 06-14-2009, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Z Purist

But GT500's aren't even stock to begin with!

LOL if it comes from the factory that way, it's stock!

NeedforZ · 06-14-2009, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

lol this is madness.

The Mustang isn't going anywhere... and I know not to mess with them because if you run across a boosted mod motor you're toast. Those things are sick.

I'm sure you guys haven't been paying attention (and why would you?) but the 2010 GT500 is putting down 490rwhp and 511 lb-ft STOCK.

You're right, I haven't really been paying close attention to what Ford is doing. The retro styling thing kinda lost me. My first Mustang was a 97' GT with a whopping 215hp. Ford wasn't getting any love with the early mod motor. Really liked the car but it didn't have any guts.

m4a1mustang · 06-14-2009, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedforZ

You're right, I haven't really been paying close attention to what Ford is doing. The retro styling thing kinda lost me. My first Mustang was a 97' GT with a whopping 215hp. Ford wasn't getting any love with the early mod motor. Really liked the car but it didn't have any guts.

Yeah, the first go at the mod motor was pretty weak. Not until the 99-04 models did we really begin to see what kind of potential these cars had.

With only 260 hp and 302 lb-ft stock they weren't too formidable (could run a 13.9 with a great driver)... but everyone quickly found out they loved some gear. My NA '03 4.6L ran a 13.6 with 4.10s in place of the stock 3.27s... crazy!

Then the '03 Cobras came along to really fire home the fact that the mod motor demands boost.

The 3-valve 4.6L in the 05's and up is just awesome. Like the Z, the car is "detuned" out of the factory. Restrictive exhaust, intake, and very conservative tune. With bolt ons and a canned tune they run 12s easy.

Add in a helping of boost and you've got a 500+ rwhp daily driver that you can count on to last you forever. Hell, the 2010s even have an optional factory FRPP blower... so it's conceivable that the brand new "stock" '10 GT is packing a little more than 315 hp... more like 500-600!

Like I said before... can't wait 'til I can park a 2010+ GT next to my Z. I'll be in car-guy heaven!

Sardis · 06-14-2009, 07:36 PM

I see a lot of upside in all of this. We are seeing evidence of it now. BMW giving us a 300 hp 3 series that can be easily boosted for nasty power. Next gen M3 will most likely use a turbo engine, M5 M6 most likely as well and lightened. If all this noise brings us back to lighter weight, that for me at least, is a huge win.

I love the current M3, but honestly I loved the E36 2700 pound M3 for. It was just a far more balanced enjoyable car. If we go back to lighter weight and engines that can handle boost, we get the best of both worlds.

Looking at F1.. They constantly try to slow these cars down, dropping displacement, all kinds of rules. The engineers are always a step ahead and can usually or in some places exceed prior years times by advancements in other things besides raw HP.

Audi has talked about dropping weight, just about everyone is. I am stoked. I have never been into Muscle Cars, I would like to see them around.

I find it pretty cool the Americans can produce something like a CTS V, which has the fastest 4 door production time around the 'ring amidst bankruptcy. I can only wonder how their current situation would differ if they would have been doing this kind of engineering all along

06-14-2009, 04:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	lol this is madness. The Mustang isn't going anywhere... and I know not to mess with them because if you run across a boosted mod motor you're toast. Those things are sick. I'm sure you guys haven't been paying attention (and why would you?) but the 2010 GT500 is putting down 490rwhp and 511 lb-ft STOCK. Take a stock GT500 and swap the factory blower out for a 2.8L Kenne Bell and its 752 rwhp and 681 lb-ft. And the car will take it over and over and over. Don't get me wrong... I love my Z. It's an awesome sports car and it's great what it can do with only 3.7 liters (and it's a boost monster, too!)... but I bleed Ford Blue. There's nothing like driving a v8 Muscle Car. Nothing. It's one of the best things in the world... I can't wait 'til I'm able to have the best of both worlds. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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Sardis Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: CA Posts: 72 Drives: EX Z Owner Rep Power: 17	I see a lot of upside in all of this. We are seeing evidence of it now. BMW giving us a 300 hp 3 series that can be easily boosted for nasty power. Next gen M3 will most likely use a turbo engine, M5 M6 most likely as well and lightened. If all this noise brings us back to lighter weight, that for me at least, is a huge win. I love the current M3, but honestly I loved the E36 2700 pound M3 for. It was just a far more balanced enjoyable car. If we go back to lighter weight and engines that can handle boost, we get the best of both worlds. Looking at F1.. They constantly try to slow these cars down, dropping displacement, all kinds of rules. The engineers are always a step ahead and can usually or in some places exceed prior years times by advancements in other things besides raw HP. Audi has talked about dropping weight, just about everyone is. I am stoked. I have never been into Muscle Cars, I would like to see them around. I find it pretty cool the Americans can produce something like a CTS V, which has the fastest 4 door production time around the 'ring amidst bankruptcy. I can only wonder how their current situation would differ if they would have been doing this kind of engineering all along