Is touring worth it?

2theextreme · 06-10-2009, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by AJChubbs

I don't know number one, I have a Touring because I wanted nicer seats as well as the Nav.

As per question two I'll answer you in as wishy washy as possible.

I got the Touring largely for the nicer upgrades, if you're going to spend over 32k you may as well get a NICER upgraded car in general since you're obviously paying for it. The sound system is great, my old car had crappy speakers and you can tell the difference with this new sound system.

That being said, a car is not the place to fret over a sound system. The inside isn't built for audio quality, if you're hypercritical you may as well go cheap and realize you wouldn't have been happy getting a more expensive model anyhow.

I am an audiophile...I love my tunes but the Bose is just fine for me. Yes, it's not something you're going to tell your friends "Hey, come listen to my awesome stereo!" but none the less I think it's quite good for what it is. Personally, I decided to spend my money on exterior upgrades (Berk HFC's, Stillen Exhaust & Intake) because I'd rather people hear my car coming down the street instead of my music!

jginnane · 06-11-2009, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by AJChubbs

That being said, a car is not the place to fret over a sound system. The inside isn't built for audio quality, if you're hypercritical you may as well go cheap and realize you wouldn't have been happy getting a more expensive model anyhow.

True! Bose w/ touring claims to have "two subwoofers". These are actually 4" cones in the spare tire well.

If you play music with deep bass, you'll notice the whole bottom is missing. I don't think these speakers go below 1 kHz. (A good home theatre can go down to 10, 12 Hz ... an average home system down to 50 - 100 Hz. Even Radio Shack cheap shiite s/b good down to 200-500 Hz or so. So, to have the bottom at 1000 Hz is to say you're buying the quality of an AM table radio, basically. Yay Bose!)

OTOH, you can easily remedy the problems of a lousy car audio with your own iPod, Zune, or other device with earbuds.

FricFrac · 06-12-2009, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jginnane

True! Bose w/ touring claims to have "two subwoofers". These are actually 4" cones in the spare tire well.

If you play music with deep bass, you'll notice the whole bottom is missing. I don't think these speakers go below 1 kHz. (A good home theatre can go down to 10, 12 Hz ... an average home system down to 50 - 100 Hz. Even Radio Shack cheap shiite s/b good down to 200-500 Hz or so. So, to have the bottom at 1000 Hz is to say you're buying the quality of an AM table radio, basically. Yay Bose!)

OTOH, you can easily remedy the problems of a lousy car audio with your own iPod, Zune, or other device with earbuds.

1 KHz - I don't think so.... while 100Hz may be a bit of a reach it is way closer to 100 Hz than 1 KHz....

They may be two 4" cones but they are not 4" cones hanging in free space - they actually sound quite good and deep for the physical dimensions of the cones.... the actual complete sub is proably 12 inches across...

These are by no means a replacement for a speaker like a JL sub in a ported enclosure, etc but they are quite decent for a stock system. Have you listened to them yet or are you assuming based on their specs? I just confused where you get 1 KHz from - thats in the normal vocal ranage...

jginnane · 06-13-2009, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by FricFrac

Have you listened to them yet or are you assuming based on their specs? I just confused where you get 1 KHz from - thats in the normal vocal ranage...

Get a copy of Azzido da Bass' "Doom's Night" -- any random mp3 is probably fine, as long as it's coded 160kit/s or better. (320k if you care.) Listen to it elsewhere. Then pop it in your Bose drawer, or put your CF card in if you use nav, etc.

See?

The tune is only moderately bass-heavy. But what the BOSE system is doing is flattopping all the lower notes. As hatchet jobs go ... this is a pretty gruesome spectacle.

Your audio controls allow you to "boost" the bass. but they don't give you back that whole bottom octave. Instead of do-re-mi, it's do-do-do-do...

Incidentally, on "specs", good luck finding Bose puttting out comparative data like Klipsch, Paradigm, etc...

When I said (in another thread) my PC speakers were better, I was referring to Logitech Z-680s. That's the forerunner to the current Z-5500s (about the same).

But after listening to my Bose system in Pearlie for a while, I'll go further and say the Harman/kardon built-ins in my Toshiba Qosmio LAPTOP are probably just as good as the car Bose thing... and it's incredibly easier to hook the laptop up to ext speakers, too.

VCuomo · 06-13-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jginnane

...OTOH, you can easily remedy the problems of a lousy car audio with your own iPod, Zune, or other device with earbuds.

Here in Kalifornia, that's illegal and will get you a ticket...

semtex · 06-13-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by VCuomo

Here in Kalifornia, that's illegal and will get you a ticket...

It's just a matter of time before you'll get a ticket for farting in Kalifornia. Methane contributes to global warming, after all.

nogoodname · 06-13-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

It's just a matter of time before you'll get a ticket for farting in Kalifornia. Methane contributes to global warming, after all.

cows are producing quite a bit...lol...stop eating beef......

even though i just bought a BBQ....ha

phelan · 06-10-2009, 10:05 AM

I got touring because I liked the navigation system. I've had bad experiences with aftermarket stereos, and I'd rather have a factory integrated system that WORKS instead of one that has a whole bunch of bells and whistles, but I have to punch in order to make it work (yes i punch my car daily XD)

The seats were nice and all, but I was thinking of swapping out the seats, anyway...

semtex · 06-10-2009, 10:28 AM

I see a lot of chatter about the seats and audio, but there's more to the Touring pkg than just those two items. Here are the rest of them:

Bluetooth
Homelink
Auto-dimming mirror
Passenger seatback pocket
Rear cargo cover
Heated seats (not just leather)
Power seats (non-touring are not power adjusted)
Lumbar support
XM available in Touring only

These items aren't must haves for everyone, but they do contribute to the value of the Touring pkg. In other words, the Touring pkg isn't just leather seats and Bose stereo is all I'm saying. There are other goodies too.

Go to this url for a comparison chart: 2009 Nissan 370Z Coupe Specs - Nissan USA

phelan · 06-10-2009, 10:31 AM

I guess I just take them for granted XD

FricFrac · 06-10-2009, 10:48 AM

Touring is a must - well at least here in Canada if you want a 370Z since it ONLY comes with Touring

I personally would have gone for the Base with Sports if I had that option BUT since I didn't and I had to go with Touring I was pleasantly surprised by the extras. I'm a bit of an audiophile and I've had the $4K+ custom stereo system with the custom fiber glass speaker pods, MB Quartz and JL speakers, etc, etc. The BOSE system isn't something I'd got out and buy but its surprisingly decent - in fact its good enough that I haven't planed on replacing it yet (but although I'm an audiophile I'd rather listen to the note of the exhaust instead of the stereo - I love driving under overpasses and tunnels!) The rear sub moves enough air to shake the mirrors. This isn't any high end system but its definately useable.

The bluetooth voice command is awesome - I love not having to take my phone out of my pocket when I'm in the car. Half the time I would be driving in my other vehicles and forget it then trying to dig it out when its ringing or not hear it ring at all... such a pain. Now I don't have to worry about that. I also find the voice command to call out, etc very handy. It would be nice if I could use the voice command built into my phone but this works - just a little extra set up.

Lumbar support is great - esp when you are going on a long trip I find I need to adjust it to a softer setting so its nice that you can configure it to your driving style. The leather seat are fine as far as burning yourself goes - my 280ZX had full on leather and it got nasty at times. No problems so far on the 370Z.

Homelink - super handy - get rid of those remotes. Auto dimming mirror - very nice feature as well. Kinda skipped that info when I was looking at the specs but I tend to flip at night with the old school mirrors between day/night to get the best visibility and now I don't need to - very nice.

Are the aluminum pedals touring or sports - regardless not much function but nice bling bling.

So now that I was forced into these features I would strongly consider getting the touring if it was an option....

CBRich · 06-10-2009, 01:16 PM

No.

cave vulture · 06-10-2009, 01:30 PM

One thing I don't believe has been mentioned is that with Touring you can get in addition to black, a gray or persimmon interior. The real sleeper of the Touring package is the metal pedals, which look great.

DNadar · 06-10-2009, 02:37 PM

Was at the dealer earlier, and the base system sounds fine. One downside is that the stereo looks cheap if you don't have navigation. I'm not sure if it looks any better on the touring, didn't look at one. Cloth seats don't really bother me.

As long as i have an LSD and Synchro RevMatch, i'm a happy camper.

AJChubbs · 06-10-2009, 02:43 PM

The stereo is worth it in the Touring, but if you only want the base go for it.

06-10-2009, 10:28 AM	#9 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 33	I see a lot of chatter about the seats and audio, but there's more to the Touring pkg than just those two items. Here are the rest of them: Bluetooth Homelink Auto-dimming mirror Passenger seatback pocket Rear cargo cover Heated seats (not just leather) Power seats (non-touring are not power adjusted) Lumbar support XM available in Touring only These items aren't must haves for everyone, but they do contribute to the value of the Touring pkg. In other words, the Touring pkg isn't just leather seats and Bose stereo is all I'm saying. There are other goodies too. Go to this url for a comparison chart: 2009 Nissan 370Z Coupe Specs - Nissan USA __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

06-10-2009, 01:30 PM	#13 (permalink)
cave vulture Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 427 Drives: 370z tour,sport,auto Rep Power: 17	Base interior is only black. Touring has 3 colors One thing I don't believe has been mentioned is that with Touring you can get in addition to black, a gray or persimmon interior. The real sleeper of the Touring package is the metal pedals, which look great.

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phelan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: CA Age: 39 Posts: 9,513 Drives: Scoobaroo Rep Power: 3407	I got touring because I liked the navigation system. I've had bad experiences with aftermarket stereos, and I'd rather have a factory integrated system that WORKS instead of one that has a whole bunch of bells and whistles, but I have to punch in order to make it work (yes i punch my car daily XD) The seats were nice and all, but I was thinking of swapping out the seats, anyway...

06-10-2009, 10:31 AM	#10 (permalink)
phelan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: CA Age: 39 Posts: 9,513 Drives: Scoobaroo Rep Power: 3407	I guess I just take them for granted XD

06-10-2009, 10:48 AM	#11 (permalink)
FricFrac A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Victoria, BC Posts: 1,481 Drives: 370Z 300ZX 280ZX 240 Rep Power: 229	Touring is a must - well at least here in Canada if you want a 370Z since it ONLY comes with Touring I personally would have gone for the Base with Sports if I had that option BUT since I didn't and I had to go with Touring I was pleasantly surprised by the extras. I'm a bit of an audiophile and I've had the $4K+ custom stereo system with the custom fiber glass speaker pods, MB Quartz and JL speakers, etc, etc. The BOSE system isn't something I'd got out and buy but its surprisingly decent - in fact its good enough that I haven't planed on replacing it yet (but although I'm an audiophile I'd rather listen to the note of the exhaust instead of the stereo - I love driving under overpasses and tunnels!) The rear sub moves enough air to shake the mirrors. This isn't any high end system but its definately useable. The bluetooth voice command is awesome - I love not having to take my phone out of my pocket when I'm in the car. Half the time I would be driving in my other vehicles and forget it then trying to dig it out when its ringing or not hear it ring at all... such a pain. Now I don't have to worry about that. I also find the voice command to call out, etc very handy. It would be nice if I could use the voice command built into my phone but this works - just a little extra set up. Lumbar support is great - esp when you are going on a long trip I find I need to adjust it to a softer setting so its nice that you can configure it to your driving style. The leather seat are fine as far as burning yourself goes - my 280ZX had full on leather and it got nasty at times. No problems so far on the 370Z. Homelink - super handy - get rid of those remotes. Auto dimming mirror - very nice feature as well. Kinda skipped that info when I was looking at the specs but I tend to flip at night with the old school mirrors between day/night to get the best visibility and now I don't need to - very nice. Are the aluminum pedals touring or sports - regardless not much function but nice bling bling. So now that I was forced into these features I would strongly consider getting the touring if it was an option....

06-10-2009, 01:16 PM	#12 (permalink)
CBRich A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SC Posts: 2,464 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 545	No.

06-10-2009, 02:37 PM	#14 (permalink)
DNadar Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: UCF, Florida Age: 34 Posts: 18 Drives: 2009 MINI JCW Rep Power: 17	Was at the dealer earlier, and the base system sounds fine. One downside is that the stereo looks cheap if you don't have navigation. I'm not sure if it looks any better on the touring, didn't look at one. Cloth seats don't really bother me. As long as i have an LSD and Synchro RevMatch, i'm a happy camper.

06-10-2009, 02:43 PM	#15 (permalink)
AJChubbs Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Washington DC Posts: 32 Drives: 09 370Z Red A/T Rep Power: 17	The stereo is worth it in the Touring, but if you only want the base go for it.