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lemon-fresh 04-18-2012 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ (Post 1671207)
So you highlighted my quote but disregarded the part about "I highly doubt it though"? I don't believe I ever said it was crappy by any means, please don't be ignorant. Anyways guys I think I'm going to lock the thread, I want to thank the members who repped me bc of it but I don't want it to steamroll into a troll fest.

I'm just playin lol. You were the one who put it in there in the first place ;) .

mantella87 04-18-2012 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by lemon-fresh (Post 1671199)
Genesis's are beating 370's now? Interesting, didn't realize I bought such a crappy car. :icon17:
I think you should look into Ferrari, mclaren, Lamborghini etc because it sounds like you'll never be able to appreciate what you have if someone beats you off a light.
:stirthepot:

But if you bought a Ferrari a tuned Supra could beat you.

lemon-fresh 04-18-2012 12:03 PM

bugatti veyron should eventually win every straight line race. Might be an option.

KillerBee370 04-18-2012 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by lemon-fresh (Post 1671199)
Genesis's are beating 370's now? Interesting, didn't realize I bought such a crappy car. :icon17:
I think you should look into Ferrari, mclaren, Lamborghini etc because it sounds like you'll never be able to appreciate what you have if someone beats you off a light.
:stirthepot:

In a straight line? The new Genesis... yes. Around a track? Probably not.

You need to get out more. My Z was potent with every bolt on and tune. My friends Genesis had a CAI and CBE and guess what? I wasn't blowing his doors off by any means.

Don't downplay a less expensive car made in Korea. It's actually a better bang for the buck than the Z. Interior isn't half bad either.

You didn't buy a crappy car. You just didn't buy the fastest. But that's ok because there's always going to be someone faster anyway. Whatever. Enjoy a car for all that it has to offer and ignore the trolls, haters and otherwise ignorant people.

NYBladeZ 04-18-2012 12:34 PM

If I had to be the fastest I'd probably want a GTR but I am likely one of the true "haters" of the GTR on here. Its blazing fast but no "soul" quoting HP and performance stats won't put a smile on my face like the Z did. Now if the GTR had a manual option I'd be all over it. I know I know I'm extremely picky and want a car that is fast, handles great, looks great, and makes me smile all the time while driving.

KillerBee370 04-18-2012 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ (Post 1671287)
If I had to be the fastest I'd probably want a GTR but I am likely one of the true "haters" of the GTR on here. Its blazing fast but no "soul" quoting HP and performance stats won't put a smile on my face like the Z did. Now if the GTR had a manual option I'd be all over it. I know I know I'm extremely picky and want a car that is fast, handles great, looks great, and makes me smile all the time while driving.

I'm completely with you on this one. IF they offered a manual option then maybe... and a facelift lol

BTW.. given your last sentence here... you sound like a perfect candidate for an M3 :D

NYBladeZ 04-18-2012 12:50 PM

3 buddies already have one, otherwise I would be tempted by the darkside. Then again, they all got M's because it is a great car. I would love a 1M but good luck finding one.

m4a1mustang 04-18-2012 12:51 PM

Haus!

speedfreek 04-18-2012 12:55 PM

Well then what you need is the up and coming Skyline

Infiniti working on 530-HP twin-turbo IPL model for G

If it comes to fuition here in the States it will be interesting to see where the final sticker price falls. It will be canabalizing their own sales with the GT-R unless of course they take away the rear seats from the GT-R to make it even lighter and faster.

NYBladeZ 04-18-2012 12:57 PM

I might just have to hoard cash and wait till the 25 year rule applies to the R34 Skyline. Honestly though guys, the lotus I drove today, I found out it has the Blade 300 kit, giving it 300hp at crank...it was amazing.

KillerBee370 04-18-2012 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ (Post 1671347)
I might just have to hoard cash and wait till the 25 year rule applies to the R34 Skyline. Honestly though guys, the lotus I drove today, I found out it has the Blade 300 kit, giving it 300hp at crank...it was amazing.

Can not go wrong with that action!!!

DLSTR 04-18-2012 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1670806)
I have aspirations for the track, but not the 1/4-mile. I want to modify this car and take it on an actualy racing circuit. Because you're right, the car is made to go 140mph, and I'd like to experience that. I won't in good conscience do that on a public road. Neither will I brake hard at the last second and fling it through an apex on the edge of losing it. That's too dangerous to do in public, but this car was built to do it. :D

Amazing here in Germany on designated sections you can do most of what you posted in public, safely on the Autobahn with like minded, well trained drivers. The US, roads, police and all of it leave me ....well feeling frustrated. Throw in the Nurburgring and I wonder why bother living in the US again, Im a car hound and in the US you are now some enemy or something. Its nuts. I do not miss the US for such things car related. Its just a bummer.

PapoZalsa 04-18-2012 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1668890)
Just sounds like it wasn't the right fit for you. Sometimes that happens. And sometimes you just need more than one car to keep you happy.

:iagree:

Most people out there are always looking for more power doesn't matter what they drive.

Cmike2780 04-18-2012 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DLSTR (Post 1671396)
Amazing here in Germany on designated sections you can do most of what you posted in public, safely on the Autobahn with like minded, well trained drivers. The US, roads, police and all of it leave me ....well feeling frustrated. Throw in the Nurburgring and I wonder why bother living in the US again, Im a car hound and in the US you are now some enemy or something. Its nuts. I do not miss the US for such things car related. Its just a bummer.

Are you honestly trying to compare how Germany is better than the US?,lol

The Autobahn is a Mecca for speed freaks and car enthusiast, but I heard the unlimited speed areas can get hampered by traffic. I'm pretty sure Germany has its fair amount of 'unskilled' drivers also. I doubt every German receives a racing license before they are allowed to drive. Wasn't there a 50 car pile up a few months ago that killed 3 people? As for the Nurburgring, that too is a Mecca for wannabe racers like myself... and it too has traffic, lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYINRvTIBl8

There are plenty of famous tracks in the US also you know.

Mt Tam I am 04-18-2012 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ (Post 1671287)
If I had to be the fastest I'd probably want a GTR but I am likely one of the true "haters" of the GTR on here. Its blazing fast but no "soul" quoting HP and performance stats won't put a smile on my face like the Z did. Now if the GTR had a manual option I'd be all over it. I know I know I'm extremely picky and want a car that is fast, handles great, looks great, and makes me smile all the time while driving.

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Originally Posted by KillerBee370 (Post 1671300)
I'm completely with you on this one. IF they offered a manual option then maybe... and a facelift lol

BTW.. given your last sentence here... you sound like a perfect candidate for an M3 :D

This has been my feeling ever since I drove a GTR. I was set to buy one, then no MT. I bought the Z instead and saved the money I wanted to spend.

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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ (Post 1671326)
3 buddies already have one, otherwise I would be tempted by the darkside. Then again, they all got M's because it is a great car. I would love a 1M but good luck finding one.

The 1M is so rare. BMW feels americans do not want it for some reason so they do not make it.

Am I wrong with this statement?

mantella87 04-18-2012 02:05 PM

The average American driver has no lane discipline. That is a huge problem in this country.

onzedge 04-18-2012 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mantella87 (Post 1671514)
The average American driver has no lane discipline. That is a huge problem in this country.

I see it every day. It's amazing. Today on 80 east between Cap City FWY and Loomis there were three of them -- all drifting, all going slow, all on cell phones.

kenchan 04-18-2012 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 1671525)
I see it every day. It's amazing. Today on 80 east between Cap City FWY and Loomis there were three of them -- all drifting, all going slow, all on cell phones.

:icon18: and 8 of them were driving backwards grinding n' all.

DLSTR 04-18-2012 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mantella87 (Post 1671514)
The average American driver has no lane discipline. That is a huge problem in this country.

To put it mildly. Im a US trained driver - Lets go over that syllabus:
1- night with the book
1- 5min lesson in parallel parking and bam! The next day Im legal in a car at age 16. Thats very very wrong.

They wouldnt give me the keys to a red flyer wagon here in Germany if I tried that. Getting a license here is not easy or cheap for anyone.

Im amazed at the discipline I see here. Some one else posted that I was thinking Germany is better than the US. Yes Im afraid for car culture and driving it is. No question.

speedfreek 04-18-2012 02:15 PM

I like the Autobahn but there are idiots driving on it like anywhere else. The rule of thumb while on it is to stay to the far right unless passing. Most everyone follows this except for a few idiots. While driving up to Berlin an Audi and BMW passed me like I was sitting still and I was giving the crappy rental I had at the time (Opel) all it had. Well about half hour after they passed me I came over a small hill and it was lit up like Christmas where the emergency crew was working the wreck caused by one of these guys running over a slower moving vehicle on the Autobahn. I doubt either driver made it out of that wreck sadly. I wasn't there but either the BMW and Audi were still racing and going 2 wide causing the accident when they encountered the vehicle in the middle lane or the slow vehicle was in the left lane and they couldn't both manuever around it fast enough to avoid a high speed wreck. It didn't help that it was night time so out driving your headlights wasn't too smart to begin with.

mantella87 04-18-2012 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 1671525)
I see it every day. It's amazing. Today on 80 east between Cap City FWY and Loomis there were three of them -- all drifting, all going slow, all on cell phones.

Right man, and living in California I think we have it worse than anybody. Cali has provided me with some of the worst drivers I've ever shared the road with.

brucelidat 04-18-2012 02:34 PM

^^

true

UNKNOWN_370 04-18-2012 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ (Post 1670912)
:shakes head: No, I took the Z as far as it could go N/A and found myself wanting more, it happens. The TT kits turn the Z into a straight line monster and the S/C kits don't put out the torque I would want for the price of the kit. I'm sure GTM will continue to improve their products and the Z is without a doubt a great value but I wanted a car with import build quality, more torque and astounding handling and feedback. The Z has the build quality and the good-great handling but issues such as lack of an oil cooler, a horrible stock exhaust note and full torque unobtainable until 4750rpm were some of the things I didn't like.

I built a great Z, I loved it very much, I sold it and in hindsight there are characteristics of the car that could be improved. I had my "highway altercations" like some and had my share of glorious moments (I promise as safely as I could). Honestly, when you get left standing by a lightly tuned Evo X, STi, 5.0 Stang, 135i or dare I say a Genesis (I highly doubt it though) the last thing you are thinking is hey I got a good value.


Hahahahaaa.... genesis coupe???

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The gen has gotten better but still hasn't surpassed 370z times stock for stock. While the Z can still push quarters as low as 12.9 with the auto and 13.0 with the manual. The gen has only pulled 13.5 thus far on the 2013. Modded is always a drivers race so I'm not even going to address the hypothesis.

RUFFSTUFF 04-18-2012 02:38 PM

Try living in Jacksonville where apparently it is extremely difficult to drive on a straight road and not get in an accident. It is ridiculous here. Too many drivers suffering from I-95 deliria I guess.

DLSTR 04-18-2012 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mantella87 (Post 1671564)
Right man, and living in California I think we have it worse than anybody. Cali has provided me with some of the worst drivers I've ever shared the road with.

Im from LA area to begin with. Cell phones talkers/texters were always causing issues. Its insane. Rare sight here in Germany.

Yes it does happen and if you get caught its 40euros and a point on your license now. Nothing like the daily epidemic of stupidity in LA!!

brucelidat 04-18-2012 03:00 PM

people in LA are all too self absorbed

mantella87 04-18-2012 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat (Post 1671654)
people in LA are all too self absorbed

They sound like it!

juicypinkkk 04-18-2012 03:07 PM

new genesis 3.8 still isnt faster, in case anyone thinks it is. 5.0 0-60.. its about the same, with guaranteed crappier handling, and thats ALREADY with boost

UNKNOWN_370 04-18-2012 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by juicypinkkk (Post 1671668)
new genesis 3.8 still isnt faster, in case anyone thinks it is. 5.0 0-60.. its about the same, with guaranteed crappier handling, and thats ALREADY with boost

The boosted gen does it in 6 seconds. The 3.8 v6 does it in 5. But there 5 is pushing it out to 5. Pushing it out we are in the mid 4's.

UNKNOWN_370 04-18-2012 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DLSTR (Post 1671541)
To put it mildly. Im a US trained driver - Lets go over that syllabus:
1- night with the book
1- 5min lesson in parallel parking and bam! The next day Im legal in a car at age 16. Thats very very wrong.

They wouldnt give me the keys to a red flyer wagon here in Germany if I tried that. Getting a license here is not easy or cheap for anyone.

Im amazed at the discipline I see here. Some one else posted that I was thinking Germany is better than the US. Yes Im afraid for car culture and driving it is. No question.

Not in the 5 boroughs of NYC. They put you through the ringer for a license. Real world driving on some of the worst posted streets in the city. They expect you to know the rules with no consistant signs posted. Which is good because it shows how much you really know. Also they make you go on the highway. At least they did when I got mine... And they test you for 30min, not 10 like here in tx and outer new york.I would say brooklyn has the hardest road test. Staten island and long island has it good with that. They get the national parking lot standard.

NYBladeZ 04-18-2012 05:39 PM

^^ Long Island guy here, it took me 5 minutes. New York highways aren't very good, too many potholes though I expect it will be better this summer since we had no winter.

red6spd 04-18-2012 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1671192)
Smooth as butter relative to...a sentra?

Have you ever owned a car with a decent transmission?



Smooth as in not notchy. I can shift with one finger. There is no clunky sounds. I can shift fast with no issue. What more do you want?

Red__Zed 04-18-2012 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd (Post 1672085)
Smooth as in not notchy. I can shift with one finger. There is no clunky sounds. I can shift fast with no issue. What more do you want?

So, no?

mantella87 04-18-2012 07:38 PM

Best gearboxes I've encountered would have to be in the E46 M3 and RX-8 (which is the same gearbox as the S2k). Many would agree.

Red__Zed 04-18-2012 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd (Post 1671186)
LOL! I drove my Z to school and work today and everytime I made a smooth as melting butter shift I thought of all the complaints on this forum about the hard notchy shifting and started laughing. People in the other cars must think I'm nuts. I dont disagree that there are cars out there like the S2K that have a better feeling gearbox but I said it once and I will keep saying, 99.9% of the complaints I hear about this gearbox is due to bad stick drivers.

can you clarify this statement?

juicypinkkk 04-18-2012 08:09 PM

^ S2K has a better feeling gearbox, yes, but its also due to the fact that its putting down 150 lb-ft of torque lol, tranismissions are designed with the engine that is going to go with the car in mind

Anyway, back to the topic. I really feel like the Z is one of the few "true" sports cars left out there with a simple manual transmission gear box, without too many gizmos and gadgets inside the car trying to launch it as fast as possible (GT-R) in the market along with a few Porsches, which is why I got it. I like the way Ford has gone, going back to its roots and creating a manual transmission fun sports car that rivals the feel of the old 60's stangs. The s2000 (discontinued) miata and cars like the M3, 1M, Porsche GT3 are the few old school sports cars still left out there. I'd take the Z over one a lot of those new cars that take the driver out of the experience (see GT-R and most new Mercedes Sports cars)

Red__Zed 04-18-2012 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by juicypinkkk (Post 1672244)
^ S2K has a better feeling gearbox, yes, but its also due to the fact that its putting down 150 lb-ft of torque lol, tranismissions are designed with the engine that is going to go with the car in mind

Rumor has it the S2K transmission not only can handle ~500 ft/lbs of torque, it still feels great laying it down.

juicypinkkk 04-18-2012 08:15 PM

^ I'd believe that. I drive an Si as my daily (6 speed) and its buttery smooth every time i shift it. It's got some other problems (i.e 3rd gear pop out) but yeah, Honda can make a transmission for sure. But for 90% of the other vehicles ive driven with 200+ lb-ft torque and 250+ hp, the Z's transmission is not bad.

m4a1mustang 04-18-2012 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1672258)
Rumor has it the S2K transmission not only can handle ~500 ft/lbs of torque, it still feels great laying it down.

Too bad you don't know a thing about that kind of power.

JARblue 04-18-2012 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by juicypinkkk (Post 1672261)
^ I'd believe that. I drive an Si as my daily (6 speed) and its buttery smooth every time i shift it. It's got some other problems (i.e 3rd gear pop out) but yeah, Honda can make a transmission for sure. But for 90% of the other vehicles ive driven with 200+ lb-ft torque and 250+ hp, the Z's transmission is not bad.

I currently drive a 2004 Accord 6MT (240ish hp and I think about 180 ft lbs) with 110K miles and the original clutch is still amazingly smooth. I swear a perfect shift in that car even now is better than the Z with SRM on. It was my wife's DD before we got her the Z, and now she's like 'I can't feel your clutch at all!'

Personally, though, I like the 'rougher' action in a vehicle with more power like the Z.


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