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Now I shouldn't say this but...when we ran at the "track" when fully modded I feared no m6 e92 m3. The Z has a great power to weight ratio.
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Long tube headers were a big factor, they really wake the car up. Its not for everyone, only the guys who like a louder car and don't mind the VQ hiss.
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Interesting, good to know. Even at ~315whp I'd say the Z puts up some decent competition against stock e92's.
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I admire and respect the members who have gone F.I. its a huge investment. Thankfully the Z community is backed by GTM, although I'm sure TT and SC members will tell you that reliability is a concern. Nonetheless, with gears and bolt-on's you should leave an e92 m3 behind.
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I'm going to do a Nissan Leaf motor swap and everyone on this forum will start hating when I have my Z plugged into an electrical outlet.
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I think what you aren't really covering (and if someone mentioned this I apologize, I didn't read the whole thread) is that you are comparing a car that maxxes out slightly above 40k to cars that start around 60k+ (M3 and Cayman S that is)... with the difference in price you are not only beating M3s and Caymans but probably Z06s and other higher end performance muscle cars. Sure you have to go FI but that shouldn't be anything you should be embarrased or upset about. Dollar for dollar Nissan gives you a whole heck of a lot with the Z... it is already pretty well tuned so everyone has to expect that bolt ons aren't going to free up a whole heck of a lot.
Everyone including myself gets sucked into spending thousands on NA mods and not seeing any astounding results which I can understand frustrates people but that just proves you have something pretty good from the factory. Now if FI kits would only come down in price we would really be able to show those guys something... just my 2 cents. |
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Let me just throw in my novice $0.02... I can totally relate to the cost vs gain issue. It cost me $1500 on new upgrades and about 5 hours of driveway installation time to get my truck to over 550hp and 1100ft-lbs. Granted, the stock platform is a twinturbo diesel, but if I took the same money and put it on the Z, what would the net result be? Not very much apparently. Throw in that the truck is now faster then the Z (though I don't see 155mph in its future) and now I have an unusual tandem. It's just a bummer that forced induction is the way to go to get any significant gains, but so be it. The car is still sweet.
Be on the look out for a 2010 F250 in black with a Yamaha decal out back if you're in SE Georgia. The black smoke is not indicative of a problem... for the truck! ;) |
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I have no regrets, none, about building the Z. It allowed me to add my unique perspective and choice on a production vehicle and it was damn good fun. Now that she's gone and after driving her in stock form I realize how much of a leap I took from stock ---> bolt ons. Still I think tuning the Z was about my personal expression and fanhood of the car rather than anticipating major gains short of F.I. Its a good car but it as a gear head mod obsessed want more power guy like me, it just didn't do "it."
One point, going F.I. is not the end of the road, you then have to worry about reliability both short term and long term. Many will cite, when you force induce a car not meant for it a lot can and might go wrong. Moreover, all that power on a suspension and chassis not designed for it will lead to a lot of dyno queens but not a lot of track monsters. I don't think there is one member on here with a TT kit that would confidently take it around a road course. |
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Hey thanks bud! Last day of classes is about 10 days away! Of course there is the matter of the Bar Exam :(
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good luck! post some pics of your AMS GT-r after you become a rich lawyer
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Btw for prospective and newer Z owners I suggest the following mods:
1) OIL COOLER, do not look past this the VQ runs hot and if you like to drive the car how it was meant to be driven GET ONE! 2) Test pipes/HFCs/Long Tube Headers (my vote): The cats are very restrictive, with test pipes you will get rasp but more gains, some states like NY you can get away with it. 3) Gears! Don't fear the gear, if you plan on staying N/A for a long time get them, I didn't have them but they really wake the car up low end. 4) Catback (more for sound than performance): Just to put it out there, I made 296.4whp with test pipes alone, but catbacks help give the Z the sound it was always known for. I went GTHaus, it was wonderful, I would go Fast Intentions as my 2nd best choice. 5) Uprev, not for the gains but for the great increase in driveability after you have all the bolt on's of course. 6) Turbo or S/C: For those wanting to make the leap Notice, I didn't really mention intakes, the stock intakes are very good. Get some cheap HPS tubes and K&N drop ins. If you do the headers like I did I say you NEED to go g3 or injen but if you are lightly modded HPS will do the job. Best N/A mods: Long Tube Headers or anything that that removes cat |
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I have spent a lot of class time on this forum, I love this place even though I lack a Z.
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This could change things for the future powerplant of the Z if it's true.Infiniti working on 530-HP twin-turbo IPL model for G
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This is my second real sports car. I owned an 87 RX-7 in the early 90s. So this car has enough power to have lots of fun on the streets and just underpowered enough to keep my *** out of trouble. It handles better than anything I have ever driven. i didnt own but have driven --- several Vettes, CTS-V Coupe, WRX STI, S200, GTO and hands down the Z is the most nimble.
More importantly - it looks gooooooood!!!!!!!! and its non aspirated |
oh, and thanks for sticking around!
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This forum is a great blend of smart car guys of all ages and it lacks the high amount of trolls other forums have. Sure, we have disputes but at least here I know for the most part I'm not barking at the wall. |
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Again just a difference of opinion... to me it is like spending 150k on a fixer upper home (not in NJ of course because you can't buy a shed for that) and dumping 150k into a renovation/remodel... will it be as nice as any 300k home? Probably, it might even be better but if you have that sort of budget you are just going to buy something already to your liking. |
This thread is all subjective blah blah blah...I had enough after "there are two classes of Z owners". Gimme a break.
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Seems like you are so focused on **** wrestling the guy driving the car next to you dont even notice his wife or GF drooling over the looks of your car. The Z drives better and looks twice as good as the cayman or M3. Hell the vette, if you are young makes you look like a poser and if your old it makes you look like your in the middle of a mid life crisis.
Might be because of the Monterey Blue color but I get people all the time at various places asking how much I payed for car and how fast it is. Just this last weekend down at the waterfront, every couple that walked by the car on the sidewalk, the guy would look at till he looked at his lady friend and noticed she is staring at it too. Almost every woman would keep looking at after walking past too. Gave me a good chuckle. Drives good, the GF loves it because it makes her feel sexy, and from what I have seen can handle itself pretty well, for being numbers wise alot less then some other cars out there, so I haev zero complaints. If you are N/A then you have to live by the law, there is no replacement for displacement or go FI. |
You had a unique Z, nice to see you still hanging around!
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:roflpuke2: I"m enjoying your GTHAUS very much
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No sir, it is all yours, you paid for it fair and square I'm just living off the memories and clips!
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hate to hear you sold your Z.
but it would be fun to have a % of how many owners mod their cars. and how many just leave them stock. imo i'm guessing less than 10% add mods to their cars..... the 370 is a almost a great car just like it is. nissan got it right.... i don't track so i don't have a dog in this fight... i got the 370 for the Z history... plus it's drop dead good looking, fast as hell or at least fast enough for most... and it turns heads... |
I agree almost entirely but Nissan needs to resolve the oil heat issues. Buyers should not have to throw down $500-$600 to be able to flog their cars to their heart's desire.
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Anyway, pardon the non-aspirated. Its naturally-aspirated. I'm actually just have flu, allergies and running a mild temp. As far as Ken feeling ignored... lol it doesn't really bother me what you said. You caught my flaw. Cool. There's just a couple of guys on here that will remain nameless that always seem to swing on mine hard on any little post. So my hostility showed. From a couple of guys on here its just reached corny status how they always appear to mock any comment I make which may be flawed. Then you get the one or two extra jock riders coming and joining in. I know who jokes and who's trying to be an azz. Anyway back to topic. The z isnt without flaws and mods are expensive. But I honestly feel this car is worth taking my time and getting it right. If a turbo Z comes out? I will get one, but I won't trade the Z34. It may be only be a potential collectible to most. But for me its an instant classic. Talk about perfect evolution when you see a 240z and 370z next to each other. |
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:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl: And how sick is the juke! :tup: |
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