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NYBladeZ 04-20-2012 09:31 AM

I agree with the sound but its because Nissan restricted the motor excessively with the cats and catbacks. Throw some HFC's/test pipes and the catback of your choice and you'll be in love.

RUFFSTUFF 04-20-2012 09:42 AM

Yes!

mantella87 04-20-2012 11:54 AM

The feel of the transmissoin and how well it actually performs are two different things. You can't compare a Z to an economy car. The transmission is more directly linked, and there is much more power in the Z. If you drive a manual Toyota Yaris, you may as well be driving an automatic it is so effortless and smooth. When you drive a manual 'Vette, it feels like you are trying to use the brake lever on an old roller coaster.

Red__Zed 04-20-2012 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mantella87 (Post 1675762)
The feel of the transmissoin and how well it actually performs are two different things. You can't compare a Z to an economy car. The transmission is more directly linked, and there is much more power in the Z. If you drive a manual Toyota Yaris, you may as well be driving an automatic it is so effortless and smooth. When you drive a manual 'Vette, it feels like you are trying to use the brake lever on an old roller coaster.

That's really not true. Tons of high power cars come with great feeling transmissions.

Cmike2780 04-20-2012 12:26 PM

less and less every year though. Manual trans is a dying breed

NYBladeZ 04-20-2012 12:26 PM

My 2004 Mustang GT transmission felt way better. Sure the clutch was heavier but when I added a pro 5.0 shifter it was great. I'm sure the current 5.0 probably feels as good with a short shifter as well. No offense to the Z but the manual transmission is not good, sure it performs and holds up but when it comes to "feeling good" it fails.

m4a1mustang 04-20-2012 12:28 PM

TR3650 was a nice transmission!

mantella87 04-20-2012 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1675801)
That's really not true. Tons of high power cars come with great feeling transmissions.

Yeah I'm not saying power is the only factor that determines transmission feel. Obviously it's not. But transmission feel and transmission quality aren't the same. It sounds like people on here are quick to call a transmission inferior just because 2nd gear is rough in the cold.

Red__Zed 04-20-2012 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mantella87 (Post 1675834)
Yeah I'm not saying power is the only factor that determines transmission feel. Obviously it's not. But transmission feel and transmission quality aren't the same. It sounds like people on here are quick to call a transmission inferior just because 2nd gear is rough in the cold.

I agree that, yes, there is more to a transmission than feel. But, when I (and many others) buy a sporty car, a slick shifting transmission is a critical area in deciding how fun the car is.

The z's transmission has no negative impact on things like lap times, and it doesn't appear to functionally inhibit the car at all. It just doesn't put a smile on your face the way an rx8 transmission does.

mantella87 04-20-2012 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1675841)
I agree that, yes, there is more to a transmission than feel. But, when I (and many others) buy a sporty car, a slick shifting transmission is a critical area in deciding how fun the car is.

The z's transmission has no negative impact on things like lap times, and it doesn't appear to functionally inhibit the car at all. It just doesn't put a smile on your face the way an rx8 transmission does.

So true, it is an integral part of the driving experience, and nothing could really compensate for an unpleasant gearbox. Thinking of that RX-8 transmission always makes me happy.

wstar 04-20-2012 02:40 PM

My paddle shifters are butter-smooth /troll

christian370z 04-20-2012 03:25 PM

I'd rather sacrifice some shifting feel for a transmission that has thus far held up to the most powerful forced induction setups with little more than a clutch/PP upgrade. That is very impressive in my opinion.

UNKNOWN_370 04-20-2012 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar (Post 1676041)
My paddle shifters are butter-smooth /troll


:roflpuke2:
I must have a bad Z, my paddles are too notchy, not as reffined as the honda accord paddles...
:icon18::bowrofl::bowrofl:

m4a1mustang 04-20-2012 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by christian370z (Post 1676142)
I'd rather sacrifice some shifting feel for a transmission that has thus far held up to the most powerful forced induction setups with little more than a clutch/PP upgrade. That is very impressive in my opinion.

Most manual transmissions will hold big power with a clutch upgrade as long as you don't power shift. :tup:

NYBladeZ 04-20-2012 03:29 PM

Don't get me started on the Clutch Slave Cylinder....

m4a1mustang 04-20-2012 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1676144)
:roflpuke2:
I must have a bad Z, my paddles are too notchy, not as reffined as the honda accord paddles...
:icon18::bowrofl::bowrofl:

Honda added paddles to the Accord? Oooo look at them all upscale and sporty now. :icon17:

UNKNOWN_370 04-20-2012 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1676162)
Honda added paddles to the Accord? Oooo look at them all upscale and sporty now. :icon17:


Yeah... haven't you heard? And its RWD now. Watch out vette. :roflpuke2:

m4a1mustang 04-20-2012 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1676196)
Yeah... haven't you heard? And its RWD now. Watch out vette. :roflpuke2:

I guess they weren't bullshitting with their "THE ONE" commercial. :icon18:

Streetlife 04-20-2012 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wstar (Post 1676041)
My paddle shifters are butter-smooth /troll

Mine are too!:happydance:

UNKNOWN_370 04-20-2012 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Streetlife (Post 1676215)
Mine are too!:happydance:

Damn 2 to 1. I hope there's a TSB for my notchy paddles shifters? I shoulda bought a S2k.:driving:
:bowrofl:
:bowrofl:

NYBladeZ 04-20-2012 04:14 PM

Buttersmooth yay! Fun factor nay! Haha sorry I couldn't help it.

UNKNOWN_370 04-20-2012 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYBladeZ (Post 1676264)
Buttersmooth yay! Fun factor nay! Haha sorry I couldn't help it.

:03 second paddle shifts yeeeey. .05 if you're lucky? To 1second shifts naaay!. Couldn't help it... fun is subjective to your driving goal. :driving:

Couldn't help it. :roflpuke2:

mantella87 04-20-2012 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by christian370z (Post 1676142)
I'd rather sacrifice some shifting feel for a transmission that has thus far held up to the most powerful forced induction setups with little more than a clutch/PP upgrade. That is very impressive in my opinion.

:iagree:

chrisz 04-20-2012 07:52 PM

The wife and I just ordered our first z a couple weeks ago. The wait already sucks. We test drove mustangs, camaros, miatas, a very used carrera, and the z. The mustang had the shortest throw with no notch. We obviously liked the z much more over all, but we both commented on the mustangs short smooth shifts.

NYBladeZ 04-20-2012 08:44 PM

Smart choice considering your choices. I would be tempted for the Porsche but a heavily used one is a one small part away from a big repair bill. You will love the Z, somewhere on here I have a list of recommended upgrades you might want to check it out.

Red__Zed 04-20-2012 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by christian370z (Post 1676142)
I'd rather sacrifice some shifting feel for a transmission that has thus far held up to the most powerful forced induction setups with little more than a clutch/PP upgrade. That is very impressive in my opinion.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e3...26_4281768.jpg

Why not have both?

bdavis89 04-20-2012 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1676196)
Yeah... haven't you heard? And its RWD now. Watch out vette. :roflpuke2:

<img src="http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/200/420/BRTky.jpg" /></a></a>

LakeShow 04-20-2012 09:45 PM

^^:bowrofl:

shadoquad 04-20-2012 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1676701)

As we can see here in this official scientific chart from the internets, your supposition that one can have a smooth clutch and horse powers is wrong.

http://www.the370z.com/attachment.ph...1&d=1334976375

Davey 04-21-2012 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1676719)
As we can see here in this official scientific chart from the internets, your supposition that one can have a smooth clutch and horse powers is wrong.

http://www.the370z.com/attachment.ph...1&d=1334976375

:bowrofl:

onzedge 04-21-2012 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1676719)
As we can see here in this official scientific chart from the internets, your supposition that one can have a smooth clutch and horse powers is wrong.

http://www.the370z.com/attachment.ph...1&d=1334976375

:tup: :icon17:

Red__Zed 04-21-2012 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 1676719)
As we can see here in this official scientific chart from the internets, your supposition that one can have a smooth clutch and horse powers is wrong.

http://www.the370z.com/attachment.ph...1&d=1334976375

:lessthanthree:

mhcoss 04-21-2012 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1675841)
I agree that, yes, there is more to a transmission than feel. But, when I (and many others) buy a sporty car, a slick shifting transmission is a critical area in deciding how fun the car is.

The z's transmission has no negative impact on things like lap times, and it doesn't appear to functionally inhibit the car at all. It just doesn't put a smile on your face the way an rx8 transmission does.

I don't understand how poeple figure this. I love the transmission in the Z. Once you feel it out I think its really awesome. Can spin the tires, can cruise around with really smooth shifts.... Maybe i'm just a noob thinking my car has a good tranny

shadoquad 04-21-2012 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhcoss (Post 1677398)
I don't understand how poeple figure this. I love the transmission in the Z. Once you feel it out I think its really awesome. Can spin the tires, can cruise around with really smooth shifts.... Maybe i'm just a noob thinking my car has a good tranny

Clutch feel is subjective. I also don't mind the Z's clutch feel. But others like a different feel.

gofaster87 04-21-2012 12:13 PM

Ive seen many complaints on the feel of the clutch and how people had to get "used to it." From the first test drive till now it has always felt fine too me, never stalled or a had a problem between gears. Ive also driven a wide array of different clutches from stock to triple disks and unsprung.

NYBladeZ 04-21-2012 12:21 PM

For me it was less clutch pedal feel and more annoying shifting feel. The Z transmission does the job without a doubt but it doesn't make you feel good about it.

Red__Zed 04-21-2012 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYBladeZ (Post 1677435)
For me it was less clutch pedal feel and more annoying shifting feel. The Z transmission does the job without a doubt but it doesn't make you feel good about it.

This. The clutch assist is bit different, but it is the gate feel that got me.

Skeeterbop 04-21-2012 03:31 PM

After driving a friends V6 mustang at the drag strip last night, I have absolutely no complaints about our clutch or transmission. His tranny felt rather notchy especially when putting it in first gear, and i don't even want to talk about the clutch.

m4a1mustang 04-21-2012 03:56 PM

Drive an S2000 and then you'll be ruined for life.

kenchan 04-21-2012 04:02 PM

get a blue neon. those things are faaast. i just saw one go here to there like that.


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