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KillerBee370 04-17-2012 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1668752)
I think it's unrealistic to expect big bolt-on gains out of an N/A 3.7L V6. IMO, going from ~270whp stock to over 315 whp with bolt-ons is pretty strong from a motor this size.

If you really expect anything significantly beyond that you're just kidding yourself and should be getting a pushrod V8 (read: LS series) instead.

This. I think it's enrealistic for any N/A car for that matter. I too sold my Z with every bolt on and putting down 315 rwhp seemed pretty good for what it was. In fact it was a big improvement especially with a tune and improved throttle response. (of course having coilovers spec'd up nice n tight made it feel much snappier)

I'm in an M3 now and it's the same story. I'm not going to get much more than about the same gains (as the Z) with bolt on's. It is starting from a much stronger point but the overall gain at the end of the day is probably equal (+50 hp) with full bolt ons. I won't lie... it's a different car alright but you know, that comes at a co$t.

I miss my Z for what it was and would absolutely recommend one to anybody. It's still the most bang for the buck although it's getting some pretty stiff competition coming out.

DLSTR 04-18-2012 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Telephone (Post 1669880)
This thread is all subjective blah blah blah...I had enough after "there are two classes of Z owners". Gimme a break.

+1. I see no class of Z owner. I see owners doing and driving what they want. The OP should have realized after a test drive the car was not a Vette or any other car that he feels is faster in a straight line.

Im in Germany and actually get to drive fast on a routine basis, If I want to see the the gas gauge move rapidly. I can also enjoy the car in a dynamic environment as well(think Nurburgring).

If makes me laugh when I see somone turning a sportcar into top fuel dragster. Making it anything but what it was out of the box. A car for driving and enjoying in a dynamic environment. The US does not lack cars for going fast for 12 seconds in a straight line.

As far as mods go - in the US you are making alot of people rich to go 70mph in car that will double that in stock form. Save your money for good electronics, fun travel or retirement.

Its a free country and we can do what we want, but its quite funny to see the rationale that the Z needs so much work after Nissan made it more than formidable.

On the Autobahn a Cayman isnt pushing me out of the left lane. Trust me. Its the 3 liter + Audi wagons LOL! Or the guy in the twin turbo 911 who is owning the left lane!

I watched a German auto test show and they tested the Audi TT-S vs the 370Z and the hosts/testers all picked it hands down! This car is superb.:hello:

RUFFSTUFF 04-18-2012 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DLSTR (Post 1670503)
As far as mods go - in the US you are making alot of people rich to go 70mph in car that will double that in stock form. Save your money for good electronics, fun travel or retirement.


Quote of the Week.

///PureSwank 04-18-2012 03:06 AM

I own a blacked out naturally aspirated v8 7.0l ls7 427 small block c6 z06 dishing out 620rwhp all motor. Power is ridiculously......violent. I just purchased a 370z.

Truth is, you can't expect to much from a 3.7l V6 as you would from a V8 period. The motor is limited in size and bolt ons won't help out to much due to the displacement. I bought the 370z because its got an interior that's light years better then that of my vette. I paid almost twice the price for the Z06 but thats because of the Block which is a monster. I am actually amazed on how smooth and pull its got for having such a small block. Exterior is really sexy might I add. It wouldn't be fair for the Z to compete against bigger blocks. Forced Induction is its only hope if big power is what is desired. If you wanna compete with bigger faster cars the GTR (Nissans Fans) is where its at. AMS GTR? Game over.

NYBladeZ 04-18-2012 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 1670419)
The Z has a lot of power, but gets passed by M3's, is all true. What will you replace it with? A Porsche GT3 may be up your alley. :tiphat:

Porsche GT3! Perhaps but not in my immediate future plus I'm not sure how I feel about Porsche's electronic steering, I'm thinking maybe a Lotus before a Porsche.

UNKNOWN_370 04-18-2012 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ///PureSwank (Post 1670653)
I own a blacked out naturally aspirated v8 7.0l ls7 427 small block c6 z06 dishing out 620rwhp all motor. Power is ridiculously......violent. I just purchased a 370z.

Truth is, you can't expect to much from a 3.7l V6 as you would from a V8 period. The motor is limited in size and bolt ons won't help out to much due to the displacement. I bought the 370z because its got an interior that's light years better then that of my vette. I paid almost twice the price for the Z06 but thats because of the Block which is a monster. I am actually amazed on how smooth and pull its got for having such a small block. Exterior is really sexy might I add. It wouldn't be fair for the Z to compete against bigger blocks. Forced Induction is its only hope if big power is what is desired. If you wanna compete with bigger faster cars the GTR (Nissans Fans) is where its at. AMS GTR? Game over.

:iagree:

Let's not forget... we buy the Z for another reason. FEEDBACK, FEEDBACK FEEDBACK. The muscle cars just don't give the same feedback on both street and track the way the Z does. Nor do they give that same level of maneuverability. They don't offer that lightweight feel the Z provides in the small package. And though you can get more feeback from the cancelled S2k and miata. You don't lose a lot but the power gain is tremendous.
I know that BOSS 302 is probably the only car in the Z price range that can match or beat the Z feel. But its just another version of yet another mustang. Though I would buy one. It would one in a stable, not my one and only. The Z still resonates originality that other cars in the price range can't reproduce.

Of course this is just my opinion and purely subjective.

m4a1mustang 04-18-2012 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by KillerBee370 (Post 1670468)
This. I think it's unrealistic for any N/A car for that matter. I too sold my Z with every bolt on and putting down 315 rwhp seemed pretty good for what it was. In fact it was a big improvement especially with a tune and improved throttle response. (of course having coilovers spec'd up nice n tight made it feel much snappier)

I'm in an M3 now and it's the same story. I'm not going to get much more than about the same gains (as the Z) with bolt on's. It is starting from a much stronger point but the overall gain at the end of the day is probably equal (+50 hp) with full bolt ons. I won't lie... it's a different car alright but you know, that comes at a co$t.

I miss my Z for what it was and would absolutely recommend one to anybody. It's still the most bang for the buck although it's getting some pretty stiff competition coming out.

:iagree:

Even with the 5.0s. We can get to 440whp or so with intake, tune, and full exhaust. Beyond that you need FI. Unless you are OK with shelling out several thousand bucks for cams (510whp), but FI is the best bang for the buck without a doubt. I think that's true for all cars. If you want cost-effective power, go FI. Otherwise realize that bolt-on gains will be limited.

Streetlife 04-18-2012 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ///PureSwank (Post 1670653)
I own a blacked out naturally aspirated v8 7.0l ls7 427 small block c6 z06 dishing out 620rwhp all motor. Power is ridiculously......violent. I just purchased a 370z.

Truth is, you can't expect to much from a 3.7l V6 as you would from a V8 period. The motor is limited in size and bolt ons won't help out to much due to the displacement. I bought the 370z because its got an interior that's light years better then that of my vette. I paid almost twice the price for the Z06 but thats because of the Block which is a monster. I am actually amazed on how smooth and pull its got for having such a small block. Exterior is really sexy might I add. It wouldn't be fair for the Z to compete against bigger blocks. Forced Induction is its only hope if big power is what is desired. If you wanna compete with bigger faster cars the GTR (Nissans Fans) is where its at. AMS GTR? Game over.

:iagree:

NYBladeZ 04-18-2012 08:26 AM

My neighbor just came by the office and we made a dunkin donuts run. He let me drive his Lotus Exige S. Omg....putting practicality aside, I have never driven such an amazing car. It left my heart racing and my soul yearning for me...I should not have driven it.

shadoquad 04-18-2012 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DLSTR (Post 1670503)
+1. I see no class of Z owner. I see owners doing and driving what they want. The OP should have realized after a test drive the car was not a Vette or any other car that he feels is faster in a straight line.

Im in Germany and actually get to drive fast on a routine basis, If I want to see the the gas gauge move rapidly. I can also enjoy the car in a dynamic environment as well(think Nurburgring).

If makes me laugh when I see somone turning a sportcar into top fuel dragster. Making it anything but what it was out of the box. A car for driving and enjoying in a dynamic environment. The US does not lack cars for going fast for 12 seconds in a straight line.

As far as mods go - in the US you are making alot of people rich to go 70mph in car that will double that in stock form. Save your money for good electronics, fun travel or retirement.

Its a free country and we can do what we want, but its quite funny to see the rationale that the Z needs so much work after Nissan made it more than formidable.

On the Autobahn a Cayman isnt pushing me out of the left lane. Trust me. Its the 3 liter + Audi wagons LOL! Or the guy in the twin turbo 911 who is owning the left lane!

I watched a German auto test show and they tested the Audi TT-S vs the 370Z and the hosts/testers all picked it hands down! This car is superb.:hello:

I have aspirations for the track, but not the 1/4-mile. I want to modify this car and take it on an actualy racing circuit. Because you're right, the car is made to go 140mph, and I'd like to experience that. I won't in good conscience do that on a public road. Neither will I brake hard at the last second and fling it through an apex on the edge of losing it. That's too dangerous to do in public, but this car was built to do it. :D

UNKNOWN_370 04-18-2012 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ (Post 1670803)
My neighbor just came by the office and we made a dunkin donuts run. He let me drive his Lotus Exige S. Omg....putting practicality aside, I have never driven such an amazing car. It left my heart racing and my soul yearning for me...I should not have driven it.


I guess you found your next car?

NYBladeZ 04-18-2012 08:45 AM

We'll see, I sold the Z to set aside more $ for a home and a quick internet search shows that the Exige is a little hard to find at a price I could manage right now.

m4a1mustang 04-18-2012 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ (Post 1670803)
My neighbor just came by the office and we made a dunkin donuts run. He let me drive his Lotus Exige S. Omg....putting practicality aside, I have never driven such an amazing car. It left my heart racing and my soul yearning for me...I should not have driven it.

Exige is the ****. I would totally get one but I needed a practical car, so I bought the S2000. :facepalm:

Red__Zed 04-18-2012 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1670834)
Exige is the ****. I would totally get one but I needed a practical car, so I bought the S2000. :facepalm:

Doesn't get more practical than a Honda.


I bet you get great gas mileage. Too bad it is fwd.

m4a1mustang 04-18-2012 08:54 AM

I actually averaged 24.5 mpg this last tank which included a spirited 140 mile drive with the Z crew last weekend. Not bad! Of course the trade-off is when you apply pressure to the throttle nothing actually happens. :icon17:

Anyways, I applaud BladeZ for doing what he needs to do for a house. That's more important than a car. So my advice is just STAY THE COURSE and resist temptation! Get a fun car after you have a garage of your own to put it in, otherwise you sold the Z for no reason.

Bucketlist2012 04-18-2012 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1670216)
That I can agree with 100%. If it was a known issue off the bat in 09? It should have been resolved on the 10 model year. And they had to have known after all this time that the 12 cooler would only be good to keep the car cool in traffic jams. It is Nissan's second biggest failure. The biggest was the brake cooling issue. But there have been brake cooling issues since the original 240z. I guess they are making safety flaws a tradition???

Anyway, pardon the non-aspirated. Its naturally-aspirated. I'm actually just have flu, allergies and running a mild temp. As far as Ken feeling ignored... lol it doesn't really bother me what you said. You caught my flaw. Cool. There's just a couple of guys on here that will remain nameless that always seem to swing on mine hard on any little post. So my hostility showed. From a couple of guys on here its just reached corny status how they always appear to mock any comment I make which may be flawed. Then you get the one or two extra jock riders coming and joining in. I know who jokes and who's trying to be an azz.

Anyway back to topic. The z isnt without flaws and mods are expensive. But I honestly feel this car is worth taking my time and getting it right. If a turbo Z comes out? I will get one, but I won't trade the Z34. It may be only be a potential collectible to most. But for me its an instant classic. Talk about perfect evolution when you see a 240z and 370z next to each other.

Hopefully I am not one of the extra Jock riders... And Corny is my middle name..We may have beaten a dead horse, and that is animal abuse..:tiphat:

UNKNOWN_370 04-18-2012 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucketlist2012 (Post 1670845)
Hopefully I am not one of the extra Jock riders... And Corny is my middle name..We may have beaten a dead horse, and that is animal abuse..:tiphat:

Naw u good. Lol

kenchan 04-18-2012 09:37 AM

so you ran out of money and now you're pissed?

thats wat i get from this thread...

juicypinkkk 04-18-2012 09:39 AM

^ lol. Gotta pay to play.

mic_crispy 04-18-2012 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1670836)
Doesn't get more practical than a Honda.


I bet you get great gas mileage. Too bad it is fwd.

Not sure if youre serious..... s2000 is RWD.

m4a1mustang 04-18-2012 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by mic_crispy (Post 1670901)
Not sure if youre serious..... s2000 is RWD.

Just ignore Dan, he has no experience with the S2000. :icon17:

Red__Zed 04-18-2012 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mic_crispy (Post 1670901)
Not sure if youre serious..... s2000 is RWD.

Are you sure?

NYBladeZ 04-18-2012 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1670890)
so you ran out of money and now you're pissed?

thats wat i get from this thread...

:shakes head: No, I took the Z as far as it could go N/A and found myself wanting more, it happens. The TT kits turn the Z into a straight line monster and the S/C kits don't put out the torque I would want for the price of the kit. I'm sure GTM will continue to improve their products and the Z is without a doubt a great value but I wanted a car with import build quality, more torque and astounding handling and feedback. The Z has the build quality and the good-great handling but issues such as lack of an oil cooler, a horrible stock exhaust note and full torque unobtainable until 4750rpm were some of the things I didn't like.

I built a great Z, I loved it very much, I sold it and in hindsight there are characteristics of the car that could be improved. I had my "highway altercations" like some and had my share of glorious moments (I promise as safely as I could). Honestly, when you get left standing by a lightly tuned Evo X, STi, 5.0 Stang, 135i or dare I say a Genesis (I highly doubt it though) the last thing you are thinking is hey I got a good value.

NYBladeZ 04-18-2012 09:54 AM

Oh and I'm sorry I almost forgot, I haven't mentioned it at all but the damn m6 gearbox absolutely drove me mad. That "lump" between gates was very frustrating and members who have an s2k or porsche know that the Z m6 gearbox is faaaaar behind.

Red__Zed 04-18-2012 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ (Post 1670914)
Oh and I'm sorry I almost forgot, I haven't mentioned it at all but the damn m6 gearbox absolutely drove me mad. That "lump" between gates was very frustrating and members who have an s2k or porsche know that the Z m6 gearbox is faaaaar behind.

That was one of the most annoying things to me, but I guess I had been spoiled by some great transmissions.

NYBladeZ 04-18-2012 09:59 AM

It drove me nuts, I mean how could Nissan not noticed how clunky the m6 was? I would have gladly taken the HR motor in the 370z if it meant more R&D into a smoother gearbox. The redline fluid helped A LOT but why should that be necessary?

Red__Zed 04-18-2012 10:06 AM

I guess Nissan has never really been know for great feeling manual tranmissions

kenchan 04-18-2012 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ (Post 1670912)
Honestly, when you get left standing by a lightly tuned Evo X, STi, 5.0 Stang, 135i or dare I say a Genesis (I highly doubt it though) the last thing you are thinking is hey I got a good value.

that's only because you want to race (street race for that matter :ugh2: ). i think you got the Z for all the wrong reasons. :)

TerribleONE 04-18-2012 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1671011)
that's only because you want to race (street race for that matter :ugh2: ). i think you got the Z for all the wrong reasons. :)

I agree.. the Z isnt a light to light car.. and if you really want it to be slap some Teetee's on it! :tup:

NYBladeZ 04-18-2012 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1671011)
that's only because you want to race (street race for that matter :ugh2: ). i think you got the Z for all the wrong reasons. :)

Look, you can disagree with my opinion but don't make conclusory statements about what I did with the Z, why I bought it, or allude that I sound like someone who "ran out of $ and got pissed." I know the Z is not a quarter mile monster, and I did not "street race" it like a dumb teenager. I am lucky that I have friends and associates who are into cars as well and we have a variety of vehicles amongst us. I suggest you focus on the statements I made out the Z such as oil heat/consumption issues, clunky transmission etc. If you want to continue to disparage me as an owner well then :gtfo2:.

I didn't expect everyone to smile and agree with all my statements but I do have a special perspective on the car due to my 3 year experience and ownership, maybe you're just pissed that I'm big enough to realize and mention the faults, if you look closely many guests are reading the post, they may be potential buyers and I find no problem in giving them the big picture.

kenchan 04-18-2012 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ (Post 1671038)
I didn't expect everyone to smile and agree with all my statements but I do have a special perspective on the car due to my 3 year experience and ownership, maybe you're just pissed that I'm big enough to realize and mention the faults, if you look closely many guests are reading the post, they may be potential buyers and I find no problem in giving them the big picture.

well, i too have 3yrs experience and ownership worked with turbos and superchargers ecu tuning, awd, fwd, rwd, etc. in the past on other cars.. just saying not everyone sees the Z the way that you do.

i never said the Z was perfect either. hell i dont think any car is perfect. it's good enough for street in stock form and some sporting fun on the weekends. that is the Z. it's not a race car, it's a sports car for weekend fun.

speedfreek 04-18-2012 10:53 AM

:roflpuke2::rofl2: to the :nutswinger:

Now back to the regular scheduled programming.

NYBladeZ you make very valid points and have a great perspective when it comes to your feedback on the car with all you have done to it. Some just need to step back with the love for the Z and notice that it has its flaws. I agree with your points on the oil issue and transmission. But I think with any sports car there are always room for improvements. Does the perfect car really exist? Or are you always going to be trying to make it go that little bit faster, stop a little bit quicker or corner a little bit harder. This is the passion that drives an enthusiast no matter what they drive.

Good luck with the house and hope you find that next best thing when the time is right and enjoy the :driving:

NYBladeZ 04-18-2012 10:55 AM

Thanks bud, honestly man, I miss my red head Fairlady.

KillerBee370 04-18-2012 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1670775)
:iagree:

Even with the 5.0s. We can get to 440whp or so with intake, tune, and full exhaust. Beyond that you need FI. Unless you are OK with shelling out several thousand bucks for cams (510whp), but FI is the best bang for the buck without a doubt. I think that's true for all cars. If you want cost-effective power, go FI. Otherwise realize that bolt-on gains will be limited.

Yeah the upper limit of my car seems to be around 400 whp with everything short of FI from what I've seen. (this coming from a 4.0 V8)

Of course I could always get one of THESE to the tune of $26k
:tup:

NYBladeZ 04-18-2012 11:11 AM

Go find a salvage m5 v10 and drop that sucka in there. Still got the stupid Lotus driving experience in my head.

red6spd 04-18-2012 11:42 AM

LOL! I drove my Z to school and work today and everytime I made a smooth as melting butter shift I thought of all the complaints on this forum about the hard notchy shifting and started laughing. People in the other cars must think I'm nuts. I dont disagree that there are cars out there like the S2K that have a better feeling gearbox but I said it once and I will keep saying, 99.9% of the complaints I hear about this gearbox is due to bad stick drivers.

Red__Zed 04-18-2012 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by red6spd (Post 1671186)
LOL! I drove my Z to school and work today and everytime I made a smooth as melting butter shift I thought of all the complaints on this forum about the hard notchy shifting and started laughing. People in the other cars must think I'm nuts. I dont disagree that there are cars out there like the S2K that have a better feeling gearbox but I said it once and I will keep saying, 99.9% of the complaints I hear about this gearbox is due to bad stick drivers.

Smooth as butter relative to...a sentra?

Have you ever owned a car with a decent transmission?

NYBladeZ 04-18-2012 11:46 AM

Red6spd, you have a factory freak, never give that thing away!

lemon-fresh 04-18-2012 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ (Post 1670912)

I built a great Z, I loved it very much, I sold it and in hindsight there are characteristics of the car that could be improved. I had my "highway altercations" like some and had my share of glorious moments (I promise as safely as I could). Honestly, when you get left standing by a lightly tuned Evo X, STi, 5.0 Stang, 135i or dare I say a Genesis (I highly doubt it though) the last thing you are thinking is hey I got a good value.

Genesis's are beating 370's now? Interesting, didn't realize I bought such a crappy car. :icon17:
I think you should look into Ferrari, mclaren, Lamborghini etc because it sounds like you'll never be able to appreciate what you have if someone beats you off a light.
:stirthepot:

NYBladeZ 04-18-2012 11:51 AM

So you highlighted my quote but disregarded the part about "I highly doubt it though"? I don't believe I ever said it was crappy by any means, please don't be ignorant. Anyways guys I think I'm going to lock the thread, I want to thank the members who repped me bc of it but I don't want it to steamroll into a troll fest.


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