Z, GTR, Juke R

stevenlucksek · 03-14-2012, 11:08 AM

Hi all,

I was just wondering if Juke R by using GTR transmission and GTR engine, it can be almost as fast as the GTR, what if the Z using the same specs as the GTR, will it be faster than the GTR?

Osiris · 03-14-2012, 11:11 AM

What is your goal here? If you have the money to put a GTR engine in a Z, then i'd say just buy the GTR. They only made 2 Juke-R's, so it's not like you can buy one of those.

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-14-2012, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by stevenlucksek

Hi all,

I was just wondering if Juke R by using GTR transmission and GTR engine, it can be almost as fast as the GTR, what if the Z using the same specs as the GTR, will it be faster than the GTR?

Possibly due to reduced weight of the Z? I'm sure the turbo engine of the GT-R would add at least 120lbs putting the Z in the 3400-3500lb range. But it would still be lighter by about 300ish lbs. The short wheelbase would make the Z less stable at high speeds though.

_ace_ · 03-14-2012, 02:16 PM

I read some on these forums that at a certain point down the FI road, our cars just haven't been able to get all the power down without major work on the suspension and such. To beat the GT-R with a swap, you'd probably want to take the AWD setup.

If you were to swap that in, besides the turbos and plumbing, I think once you added the extra differentials, the transmission, any new coolers, and any necessary electronics you'd be about the same weight as the GT-R. 400 pounds would go really fast. You could gut it and/or increase the boost, but you would want to do the same thing to the GT-R if you want a fair comparison.

I wonder how much downforce the GT-R produces relative to the Nismo 370Z. That's the only thing I could see as a potential advantage for the Z, but IMO it's not enough to really matter.

Nick911sc · 03-14-2012, 02:25 PM

You aren't going to touch a GT-R even if you turbo the Z IMO... There's too much ground to be made up. The GT-R is what it is for way more reasons than the Engine. Idk if you've ever been in one or driven one... The performance of the AWD system and Transmission are enough alone to drop your jaw.

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-14-2012, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by _ace_

I read some on these forums that at a certain point down the FI road, our cars just haven't been able to get all the power down without major work on the suspension and such. To beat the GT-R with a swap, you'd probably want to take the AWD setup.

If you were to swap that in, besides the turbos and plumbing, I think once you added the extra differentials, the transmission, any new coolers, and any necessary electronics you'd be about the same weight as the GT-R. 400 pounds would go really fast. You could gut it and/or increase the boost, but you would want to do the same thing to the GT-R if you want a fair comparison.

I wonder how much downforce the GT-R produces relative to the Nismo 370Z. That's the only thing I could see as a potential advantage for the Z, but IMO it's not enough to really matter.

What makes you think that monstrosity of a car with more luxury parts and big heavy leather seats and a much heavier drivetrain would make the Z and GTR weigh the same if there was solely an engine and tranny swap??? No way... at minimum a 250lb deficit. The GTR and G37 are about 150lbs apart. The G being lighter. But the G has more luxury than the GTR... strip away the luxury down to GTR level and you can subtract an extra 50 lbs. Throw in the GTR drivetrain and turbos and they'd be the same weight. The Z is about 350lbs lighter than a G37s coupe. The Z would definately be lighter.

TerribleONE · 03-14-2012, 05:15 PM

id say the turbo's/intercooler/AWD drivetrain and all the computer systems that control them.. would add more than that.. I could be wrong though! ^

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-14-2012, 09:00 PM

I think making the Z AWD would be a waste. I would like to see a factory turbo on at max a 3100lb chassis. The GT-R I would like to see it at max a 3500lb chassis on 600+hp. The G coupe to be in between both at 3300lbs. With equal power to the Z.

PapoZalsa · 03-14-2012, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by stevenlucksek

Hi all,

I was just wondering if Juke R by using GTR transmission and GTR engine, it can be almost as fast as the GTR, what if the Z using the same specs as the GTR, will it be faster than the GTR?

Check:

Nissan JUKE-R Video 10 - Shakedown and Testing - YouTube

03-14-2012, 11:08 AM	#1 (permalink)
stevenlucksek Base Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Mountain View, CA Posts: 43 Drives: 11 Nissan 370Z WP Rep Power: 13	Z, GTR, Juke R Hi all, I was just wondering if Juke R by using GTR transmission and GTR engine, it can be almost as fast as the GTR, what if the Z using the same specs as the GTR, will it be faster than the GTR?

03-14-2012, 11:11 AM	#2 (permalink)
Osiris A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: http://www.cfzclub.com/ Posts: 1,524 Drives: Angry Rep Power: 19	What is your goal here? If you have the money to put a GTR engine in a Z, then i'd say just buy the GTR. They only made 2 Juke-R's, so it's not like you can buy one of those. __________________ ^^^^^^^^^Like our Facebook!^^^^^^^^^

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TerribleONE A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Socal Posts: 10,203 Drives: WOT Rep Power: 5850	id say the turbo's/intercooler/AWD drivetrain and all the computer systems that control them.. would add more than that.. I could be wrong though! ^ __________________ 638WHP 541WTQ @ 13.5PSI Build thread

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03-14-2012, 02:16 PM	#4 (permalink)
_ace_ Base Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: USA Posts: 140 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 13	I read some on these forums that at a certain point down the FI road, our cars just haven't been able to get all the power down without major work on the suspension and such. To beat the GT-R with a swap, you'd probably want to take the AWD setup. If you were to swap that in, besides the turbos and plumbing, I think once you added the extra differentials, the transmission, any new coolers, and any necessary electronics you'd be about the same weight as the GT-R. 400 pounds would go really fast. You could gut it and/or increase the boost, but you would want to do the same thing to the GT-R if you want a fair comparison. I wonder how much downforce the GT-R produces relative to the Nismo 370Z. That's the only thing I could see as a potential advantage for the Z, but IMO it's not enough to really matter.

03-14-2012, 02:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
Nick911sc A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 1,698 Drives: 2010 Nissan GT-R Rep Power: 20	You aren't going to touch a GT-R even if you turbo the Z IMO... There's too much ground to be made up. The GT-R is what it is for way more reasons than the Engine. Idk if you've ever been in one or driven one... The performance of the AWD system and Transmission are enough alone to drop your jaw.

03-14-2012, 09:00 PM	#8 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14857	I think making the Z AWD would be a waste. I would like to see a factory turbo on at max a 3100lb chassis. The GT-R I would like to see it at max a 3500lb chassis on 600+hp. The G coupe to be in between both at 3300lbs. With equal power to the Z.