Gas prices for high test is $4 to $5 per gallon

vo2max99 · 02-23-2012, 05:12 PM

There's no immediate / short term solution for lower gas prices but of course the GOP will blame Obama as they do for EVERY THING.

The U.S. contains ~ 2% of the worlds oil and consumes ~ 20%. The solution isn't drill, drill, drill.. Its much more complex. Drill baby drill is nothing but a bumper sticker.

vividracing · 02-23-2012, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

The problem is that there isn't a clear alternative & renewable enery source. Even doubling our Nuclear plants wouldn't really take that huge of a dent from our dependence on petroleum. Not only that, we keep using more energy, not less.

How are hybrids worst for the environment than a gas engine? It's still technically a gas engine.

Between the amount of fossil fuels and petroleum it takes to produce them and ship them, to the fact that the batteries are difficult to dispose of, in the long run they're worse for the environment than a conventional non-hybrid gasoline engine.

I agree on the fact that a primary issue is the lack of a viable alternative energy. Nuclear power would be a start, but again, it would take a whole lot of nuclear power plants to offset our reliance on fossil fuels. Nuclear plants also use a lot of energy to build, and take quite some time before they become operational.

b1adesofcha0s · 02-23-2012, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by vividracing

Between the amount of fossil fuels and petroleum it takes to produce them and ship them, to the fact that the batteries are difficult to dispose of, in the long run they're worse for the environment than a conventional non-hybrid gasoline engine.

I agree on the fact that a primary issue is the lack of a viable alternative energy. Nuclear power would be a start, but again, it would take a whole lot of nuclear power plants to offset our reliance on fossil fuels. Nuclear plants also use a lot of energy to build, and take quite some time before they become operational.

I think those are things that will be fixed with technological innovation and more widespread use of electric cars. With expanded production and production in more areas, the shipping costs/pollution should be significantly reduced. We'll just have to wait and see if someone can come up with a practical way to recycle their batteries or maybe develop different battery technology that will be easier to recycle.

cossie1600 · 02-23-2012, 09:27 PM

Whatever, most of the newer hybrid batteries are NiMH (which are recyclable) and they last 8+ years. The lobbyists and propaganda groups from the oil companies are doing a great job in brainwashing people.

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Originally Posted by vividracing

Between the amount of fossil fuels and petroleum it takes to produce them and ship them, to the fact that the batteries are difficult to dispose of, in the long run they're worse for the environment than a conventional non-hybrid gasoline engine.

Mt Tam I am · 02-24-2012, 12:07 AM

One long term one short term solution:
1)Build refineries. 2) Have a handful of boutique gas mixtures for states to pick from and let's move on.

theDreamer · 02-24-2012, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

Whatever, most of the newer hybrid batteries are NiMH (which are recyclable) and they last 8+ years. The lobbyists and propaganda groups from the oil companies are doing a great job in brainwashing people.

Yes, the nickel is recyclable but that is only a percent of the battery. Also, the production and mining of the materials for these newer NiMH batteries is far worse than previous generations. The main benefit, which is why it was pushed so fast, was the removal of the toxic material cadmium from batteries.
Also, the argument they last 8+ years is worthless, since every time you charge a battery still you lose x% off the top. So yes, the battery can last 8 years, but after 5 you only get 40-50% of the battery time which is horrible for the use in automobiles where people want to keep a car for 8-10 years.

azn370z · 02-23-2012, 05:25 PM

My understanding is that half of the electricty produced are from coal and oil ,and I believe in the future solar, wind, and hydro will become the majority.

An electric engine is very efficient and a gasoline engine is not because a lot of the energy is lost through heat and friction. So less energy is needed to make the electric car travel than a gas car.

I don't drive much but I still want to own an electric exotic one day. The sooner we become less dependent on middle western oil the less bs I have to read in the news.

Mandingo · 02-23-2012, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by azn370z

I don't drive much but I still want to own an electric exotic one day. The sooner we become less dependent on middle western oil the less bs I have to read in the news.

Funny. I actually found an electralotus in my parking lot a couple days ago. Its the first time i've seen a tesla in person. Wish I could have heard it run.

Dwight Frye · 02-23-2012, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by vo2max99

There's no immediate / short term solution for lower gas prices but of course the GOP will blame Obama as they do for EVERY THING.

The U.S. contains ~ 2% of the worlds oil and consumes ~ 20%. The solution isn't drill, drill, drill.. Its much more complex. Drill baby drill is nothing but a bumper sticker.

I'm a veteran of the oil shortages going back to the 70's. And ever since then the ones who fought the construction of new nuke plants and new refineries and drilling in oil rich areas weren't the Republicans, but were the tree hugging leftists and those who lived in fantasy land. If we would have done those things 30 years ago we wouldn't be still talking about it. I'm no fan of the Republicans but it is partly Obama's fault and the fault of the idiots in his party, his base, and those that preceded him.

andre12031948 · 02-23-2012, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwight Frye

I'm a veteran of the oil shortages going back to the 70's. And ever since then the ones who fought the construction of new nuke plants and new refineries and drilling in oil rich areas weren't the Republicans, but were the tree hugging leftists and those who lived in fantasy land. If we would have done those things 30 years ago we wouldn't be still talking about it. I'm no fan of the Republicans but it is partly Obama's fault and the fault of the idiots in his party, his base, and those that preceded him.

I'm also not a fan of the Republicans, but what you said is right on! 100% agree.
We don't need leaders that get on the air telling us about every problem (that we already know) we have. We need them to fix the problems! In private industry, they would be looking for another job/line of work....

andre12031948 · 02-23-2012, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by vo2max99

There's no immediate / short term solution for lower gas prices but of course the GOP will blame Obama as they do for EVERY THING.

The U.S. contains ~ 2% of the worlds oil and consumes ~ 20%. The solution isn't drill, drill, drill.. Its much more complex. Drill baby drill is nothing but a bumper sticker.

I'm very much for "green energy", but it will take a long time. We can't burn more dirty coal for electricity. We need nuke plants powering every major city. We'll need newer/better technology. Windmills won't due. Algae is a joke.

In the meantime,
Canada is begging for us to buy its oil. They said since we don't allow the building of the Keystone pipeline, they will have to sell the oil to China. We invested billions in South America/Goerge Soros to produce oil that will be sold to China. Blame Obama? of course not, he's just THE President, nothing is his fault.

b1adesofcha0s · 02-23-2012, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948

I'm very much for "green energy", but it will take a long time. We can't burn more dirty coal for electricity. We need nuke plants powering every major city. We'll need newer/better technology. Windmills won't due. Algae is a joke.

In the meantime,
Canada is begging for us to buy its oil. They said since we don't allow the building of the Keystone pipeline, they will have to sell the oil to China. We invested billions in South America/Goerge Soros to produce oil that will be sold to China. Blame Obama? of course not, he's just THE President, nothing is his fault.

I went to an info session for Exxon Mobil last year (bastards won't hire me

) and they said that they had invested hundreds of millions of dollars into creating biofuel from algae.

andre12031948 · 02-23-2012, 07:32 PM

It's a fact that we refine oil & make it into gasoline. It's a fact that we refine our oil & Canada's oil & sell it all over the world to the highest bidders. Since it's mined/drilled in the U.S.A & or off our shores, & it is refined in the U.S.A, we have 100% the right to tax it. Tax it high if they want to export it out of our country. If the oil companies lose money exporting our & Canada's oil/gasoline, then they'll find happyness selling it here in our country. We will have much, much more gasoline availible, & just like natural gas, the high sypplies will drop the gasoline price substantialy. Not long ago the oil companies were the big bad oil companies. What happened? What changed? What's wrong with my idea?

What's wrong with $2.00 gasoline? It was under $2 just 3&1/2 years ago.

Mike · 02-24-2012, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by vo2max99

There's no immediate / short term solution for lower gas prices but of course the GOP will blame Obama as they do for EVERY THING.

The U.S. contains ~ 2% of the worlds oil and consumes ~ 20%. The solution isn't drill, drill, drill.. Its much more complex. Drill baby drill is nothing but a bumper sticker.

Why not, it was Bush's fault a couple years ago when gas prices spiked wasn't it? Or is it still his fault, like every other one of obama's problems?

andre12031948 · 02-24-2012, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike

Why not, it was Bush's fault a couple years ago when gas prices spiked wasn't it? Or is it still his fault, like every other one of obama's problems?

Thank you.
Bush went into Afghanistan because the people resposible were there. Obama tripled our troops because ???? He said it was the right war?????
We lost much more people in the last 3 years than in the 8 Bush years. Googled it!

Who gets the credit, or should I say the blame for our dead soldiers & the billions spent?????

My point is why shouldn't we blame our leader(s) ?????

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azn370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,722 Drives: z34 - R1 Rep Power: 490	My understanding is that half of the electricty produced are from coal and oil ,and I believe in the future solar, wind, and hydro will become the majority. An electric engine is very efficient and a gasoline engine is not because a lot of the energy is lost through heat and friction. So less energy is needed to make the electric car travel than a gas car. I don't drive much but I still want to own an electric exotic one day. The sooner we become less dependent on middle western oil the less bs I have to read in the news. __________________ 2010 k23 H&R sport springs / Spc rear camber arms / SSR SP1 / Berk cbe / Varis cf lip / Nismo S-Tune side skirts

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andre12031948 Banned Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: monticello new york 127 Posts: 1,095 Drives: 08 350z black 6m/t Rep Power: 0	I know how to get the gas price down - It's easy It's a fact that we refine oil & make it into gasoline. It's a fact that we refine our oil & Canada's oil & sell it all over the world to the highest bidders. Since it's mined/drilled in the U.S.A & or off our shores, & it is refined in the U.S.A, we have 100% the right to tax it. Tax it high if they want to export it out of our country. If the oil companies lose money exporting our & Canada's oil/gasoline, then they'll find happyness selling it here in our country. We will have much, much more gasoline availible, & just like natural gas, the high sypplies will drop the gasoline price substantialy. Not long ago the oil companies were the big bad oil companies. What happened? What changed? What's wrong with my idea? What's wrong with $2.00 gasoline? It was under $2 just 3&1/2 years ago.

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02-23-2012, 05:12 PM	#1 (permalink)
vo2max99 Base Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 120 Drives: 08MS3-BM-6MT Rep Power: 14	There's no immediate / short term solution for lower gas prices but of course the GOP will blame Obama as they do for EVERY THING. The U.S. contains ~ 2% of the worlds oil and consumes ~ 20%. The solution isn't drill, drill, drill.. Its much more complex. Drill baby drill is nothing but a bumper sticker.