Gas prices for high test is $4 to $5 per gallon

Cmike2780

The problem is that there isn't a clear alternative & renewable enery source. Even doubling our Nuclear plants wouldn't really take that huge of a dent from our dependence on petroleum. Not only that, we keep using more energy, not less.

How are hybrids worst for the environment than a gas engine? It's still technically a gas engine.

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b1adesofcha0s

This. Also for electric cars, they may not be as clean as most people think because the electricity comes from dirty sources FOR NOW. That doesn't mean that this will always be the case. There's obviously a push to move towards renewable sources of energy for electricity production. As time passes and there are more technological innovations as well as cost reductions, renewable sources will become a much larger portion of where we get our electricity from. Whenever that does happen, electric cars will be far cleaner the gas powered cars.

The other thing you have to realize is that by the time electricity sources become more clean, we will need the technology for electric cars and a whole new infrastructure to adapt to them to be ready to go. If we start working on all of that now, it will save a lot of time later. You can't just wait 25, 50, 100, or how ever many years it takes for electricity to become more "green" and then be like "ok now that we took care of that let's start thinking about how we can use electric cars now."

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Speedy

Exactly my point. It's not like this is some product that people can live without. These types of products shouldn't be traded on a market that influences the prices folks have to pay. Let real supply and demand dictate that.

Also those batteries in electric cars are toxic to make, and toxic to dispose of when they're belly up after 5 years. Expensive to replace too.

vo2max99

There's no immediate / short term solution for lower gas prices but of course the GOP will blame Obama as they do for EVERY THING.

The U.S. contains ~ 2% of the worlds oil and consumes ~ 20%. The solution isn't drill, drill, drill.. Its much more complex. Drill baby drill is nothing but a bumper sticker.

vividracing

Between the amount of fossil fuels and petroleum it takes to produce them and ship them, to the fact that the batteries are difficult to dispose of, in the long run they're worse for the environment than a conventional non-hybrid gasoline engine.

I agree on the fact that a primary issue is the lack of a viable alternative energy. Nuclear power would be a start, but again, it would take a whole lot of nuclear power plants to offset our reliance on fossil fuels. Nuclear plants also use a lot of energy to build, and take quite some time before they become operational.

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b1adesofcha0s

I think those are things that will be fixed with technological innovation and more widespread use of electric cars. With expanded production and production in more areas, the shipping costs/pollution should be significantly reduced. We'll just have to wait and see if someone can come up with a practical way to recycle their batteries or maybe develop different battery technology that will be easier to recycle.

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cossie1600

Whatever, most of the newer hybrid batteries are NiMH (which are recyclable) and they last 8+ years. The lobbyists and propaganda groups from the oil companies are doing a great job in brainwashing people.

Mt Tam I am

One long term one short term solution:
1)Build refineries. 2) Have a handful of boutique gas mixtures for states to pick from and let's move on.

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theDreamer

Yes, the nickel is recyclable but that is only a percent of the battery. Also, the production and mining of the materials for these newer NiMH batteries is far worse than previous generations. The main benefit, which is why it was pushed so fast, was the removal of the toxic material cadmium from batteries.
Also, the argument they last 8+ years is worthless, since every time you charge a battery still you lose x% off the top. So yes, the battery can last 8 years, but after 5 you only get 40-50% of the battery time which is horrible for the use in automobiles where people want to keep a car for 8-10 years.

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azn370z

My understanding is that half of the electricty produced are from coal and oil ,and I believe in the future solar, wind, and hydro will become the majority.

An electric engine is very efficient and a gasoline engine is not because a lot of the energy is lost through heat and friction. So less energy is needed to make the electric car travel than a gas car.

I don't drive much but I still want to own an electric exotic one day. The sooner we become less dependent on middle western oil the less bs I have to read in the news.

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Mandingo

Funny. I actually found an electralotus in my parking lot a couple days ago. Its the first time i've seen a tesla in person. Wish I could have heard it run.

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Dwight Frye

I'm a veteran of the oil shortages going back to the 70's. And ever since then the ones who fought the construction of new nuke plants and new refineries and drilling in oil rich areas weren't the Republicans, but were the tree hugging leftists and those who lived in fantasy land. If we would have done those things 30 years ago we wouldn't be still talking about it. I'm no fan of the Republicans but it is partly Obama's fault and the fault of the idiots in his party, his base, and those that preceded him.

andre12031948

I'm also not a fan of the Republicans, but what you said is right on! 100% agree.
We don't need leaders that get on the air telling us about every problem (that we already know) we have. We need them to fix the problems! In private industry, they would be looking for another job/line of work....

andre12031948

I'm very much for "green energy", but it will take a long time. We can't burn more dirty coal for electricity. We need nuke plants powering every major city. We'll need newer/better technology. Windmills won't due. Algae is a joke.

In the meantime,
Canada is begging for us to buy its oil. They said since we don't allow the building of the Keystone pipeline, they will have to sell the oil to China. We invested billions in South America/Goerge Soros to produce oil that will be sold to China. Blame Obama? of course not, he's just THE President, nothing is his fault.

b1adesofcha0s

I went to an info session for Exxon Mobil last year (bastards won't hire me ) and they said that they had invested hundreds of millions of dollars into creating biofuel from algae.

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