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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 The problem is that there isn't a clear alternative & renewable enery source. Even doubling our Nuclear plants wouldn't really take that huge of a dent

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Old 02-23-2012, 05:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The problem is that there isn't a clear alternative & renewable enery source. Even doubling our Nuclear plants wouldn't really take that huge of a dent from our dependence on petroleum. Not only that, we keep using more energy, not less.

How are hybrids worst for the environment than a gas engine? It's still technically a gas engine.
Between the amount of fossil fuels and petroleum it takes to produce them and ship them, to the fact that the batteries are difficult to dispose of, in the long run they're worse for the environment than a conventional non-hybrid gasoline engine.

I agree on the fact that a primary issue is the lack of a viable alternative energy. Nuclear power would be a start, but again, it would take a whole lot of nuclear power plants to offset our reliance on fossil fuels. Nuclear plants also use a lot of energy to build, and take quite some time before they become operational.
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Between the amount of fossil fuels and petroleum it takes to produce them and ship them, to the fact that the batteries are difficult to dispose of, in the long run they're worse for the environment than a conventional non-hybrid gasoline engine.

I agree on the fact that a primary issue is the lack of a viable alternative energy. Nuclear power would be a start, but again, it would take a whole lot of nuclear power plants to offset our reliance on fossil fuels. Nuclear plants also use a lot of energy to build, and take quite some time before they become operational.
I think those are things that will be fixed with technological innovation and more widespread use of electric cars. With expanded production and production in more areas, the shipping costs/pollution should be significantly reduced. We'll just have to wait and see if someone can come up with a practical way to recycle their batteries or maybe develop different battery technology that will be easier to recycle.
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Whatever, most of the newer hybrid batteries are NiMH (which are recyclable) and they last 8+ years. The lobbyists and propaganda groups from the oil companies are doing a great job in brainwashing people.

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Whatever, most of the newer hybrid batteries are NiMH (which are recyclable) and they last 8+ years. The lobbyists and propaganda groups from the oil companies are doing a great job in brainwashing people.
Yes, the nickel is recyclable but that is only a percent of the battery. Also, the production and mining of the materials for these newer NiMH batteries is far worse than previous generations. The main benefit, which is why it was pushed so fast, was the removal of the toxic material cadmium from batteries.
Also, the argument they last 8+ years is worthless, since every time you charge a battery still you lose x% off the top. So yes, the battery can last 8 years, but after 5 you only get 40-50% of the battery time which is horrible for the use in automobiles where people want to keep a car for 8-10 years.
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