Lots of wrecked Z's...

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Do you promise?

I think your worring to much, And basicaly you answered your own question.

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ImportConvert

Now you backed me against a wall talking about promises and all..

All joking aside, I want a 370Z, and Lou has the "nearest" one to me, on a time-line scale, and even that won't happen until mid-feb. I have to post SOMETHING to keep me busy. I was just curious if there was anything "ugly" about the 370 at the limit that bit people in the arse. I have always owned and driven RWD V8 cars, most of the manuals, and understand the principal of it, but I fully admit I am not god's gift to driving. I leave all my nannies on in the Z06. That car can be a hand-full no-matter how good you think you are. So far I don't think the nannies have bailed me out, because I don't do things I am unsure about in it, but it's REALLY nice knowing they are there. Very unobtrusive, as well.

Anyway, forgive me for killing time while I wait on a 370Z like I want to arrive in America. Looks like Lou's is my best bet.

Red__Zed

there's nothing ugly about the 370z at the limit, at least from a control standpoint. anyone with experience driving a RWD car shouldn't have much of an issue driving one, provided they don't do anything overtly moronic.

The Z really does have great table manners, and it is very easy to keep the rear end in control.

Pharmacist

never driven a z06, or any other rwd car for that matter. but i'd say the z is better balanced and better handling than the corvette. it comes from the factory with a hint of understeer, and you can cure that on the track with a bit of throttle to push it into neutral. so on the road, unless you do something stupid like hard throttle on a slippery road, you won't get the snap oversteer and fishtailing you can get with corvettes. keep the vdc on when it's raining or snowing and you'll be fine.

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m4a1mustang

How can you even make that assessment when you admit you've never driven a Corvette... or any other RWD for that matter? It's not possible.

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Pharmacist

it comes with a little bit of understeer. corvettes have quite a bit of oversteer. for driving on the road, a understeer is more predictable and easier to handle than oversteer. especially when traction is low and the road is slippery.

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m4a1mustang

Nice theory, but go out and put it into practice before you make assessments like this. A Corvette will not run into a snap oversteer condition like you described unless you give it too much throttle... just like the Z. In fact, the Vettes themselves are fairly neutral with a bit of understeer... unless you overpower the rear tires.

And whether understeer or oversteer is easier to control is 100% up to the driver.

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ImportConvert

This was my experience with GS, Z06, and ZR1's that I have driven. At the limit, you get VERY PREDICTABLE under-steer with a lot of feed back from a good tire like the PS2, that is mitigated with a laying off of the gas-pedal or light application of the brake. The car is as docile as you let it be with no Jekyll and Hyde tendencies. I just wanted to inquire if the 370Z had any due to the shorter wheel-base and different suspension design. I am not familiar with the 370Z except for test drives that obviously did not involve the limit.

Jeffblue

hahah. yea seriously. so, in your opinion, the Z handles better than a car that you've never driven? And you know exactly how to cure the understeer at the track, which based on the fact that the Z is your first RWD Car, i seriously doubt you've taken it to auto X, much less a road course, and even if you did, you probably drove it gingerly (as anyone would if they are an inexperienced driver). but please, continue talking about the handling characteristics of a car you've never driven, and continue talking about how to handle a Z on a track, a place you've probably never been.

Pharmacist

even though i owe you nothing, i did in fact drive the z on the track about a dozen times. and yes, i was pretty fast. not the fastest. but fast enough to lose control a few times and spin off. there are youtube videos of me. but we're not talking about track here. we're talking about driving on the street going to get groceries or going to the movies. that's my point, which is that on the street, on rain, or even snow, a z is an easier and friendlier car to drive than a 500 hp z06 corvette.

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Red__Zed

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Jeffblue

the best way to avoid accidents on the street is defensive driving. Defensive driving has much more of an impact then how well you can throw your car around a corner at a road course. Every time i approach an intersection, i assume some a-hole is going to make a left turn in front of me because they aren't paying attention.

horsepower doesn't matter in snow or inclement weather. Does horsepower matter when you stop? no. A high HP car will only handle worse in the snow/rain than a lower hp car if the driver is doing something they shouldn't be doing anyway, which is getting on the throttle hard during the turn.

most snow accidents aren't the result of accelerating and lost traction. They are when someone tries to stop and the car keeps sliding. or when they try to turn and the car keeps going straight.

Z's just seem like they are more accident prone because they are less expensive than corvettes and more accessible to people will poorer judgement.

Red__Zed

no. they still understeer, just not horrendously.

IDZRVIT

And therein lies part of the problem for some of these accidents - the drivers just aren't as good at driving as they think they are!

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