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Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 10:28 AM

well, overpowering the rear tires won't be too hard when you have 500 hp on tap. i definitely would never drive a vette on snow, even with snow tires and all the electronic nannies active.

also, understeer is easier to control in a panic situation. it's a natural reflex to freeze up and slam on the brakes when in panic mode making split second decision. it's counterintuitive and needs a lot of practice to countersteer, and avoid touching the brakes. it takes a much more experienced driver to deal with oversteer in an emergency. that's why most cars, even rwd cars, come from the factory with understeer dialed in.

m4a1mustang · 12-28-2011, 10:30 AM

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well, overpowering the rear tires won't be too hard when you have 500 hp on tap. i definitely would never drive a vette on snow, even with snow tires and all the electronic nannies active.

also, understeer is easier to control in a panic situation. it's a natural reflex to freeze up and slam on the brakes when in panic mode making split second decision. it's counterintuitive and needs a lot of practice to countersteer, and avoid touching the brakes. it takes a much more experienced driver to deal with oversteer in an emergency. that's why most cars, even rwd cars, come from the factory with understeer dialed in.

You're still ignoring the primary point, which is the fact that the 370Z is the ONLY RWD car you have ever driven yet you feel qualified enough to assess it as a better balanced car than something you have never, ever driven.

The only reason I even dare to compare the 370Z to a 5.0, Cayman, Vette, 911, etc. is because I have driven them all!!!

Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 10:31 AM

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You're still ignoring the primary point, which is the fact that the 370Z is the ONLY RWD car you have ever driven yet you feel qualified enough to assess it as a better balanced car than something you have never, ever driven.

The only reason I even dare to compare the 370Z to a 5.0, Cayman, Vette, 911, etc. is because I have driven them all!!!

so if it's a monsoon out there, with flooded roads and lots of rainfall, and you have the keys to a 370z, and a corvette z06, which one will you take?

m4a1mustang · 12-28-2011, 10:32 AM

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so if it's a monsoon out there, with flooded roads and lots of rainfall, and you have the keys to a 370z, and a corvette z06, which one will you take?

It doesn't matter... either one would be fine for me. The Z06 only has 500hp when you want it to have 500hp...

Red__Zed · 12-28-2011, 10:37 AM

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so if it's a monsoon out there, with flooded roads and lots of rainfall, and you have the keys to a 370z, and a corvette z06, which one will you take?

better balanced/better handling now means: better control in snow?

if so:

TRICK QUESTION: take the subaru

m4a1mustang · 12-28-2011, 10:39 AM

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better balanced/better handling now means: better control in snow?

if so:

TRICK QUESTION: take the subaru

That's true. Balance honestly doesn't mean a damn thing in the snow given the availability of traction and the speeds you will be travelling at. Assuming the same drive-type, tires are the only things that really mater in snow.

Red__Zed · 12-28-2011, 10:40 AM

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That's true. Balance honestly doesn't mean a damn thing in the snow given the availability of traction and the speeds you will be travelling at. Assuming the same drive-type, tires are the only things that really mater in snow.

bad balance is actually great in snow. tons of weight over the front axle means you can turn and stop very easily in poor traction conditions.

m4a1mustang · 12-28-2011, 10:42 AM

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bad balance is actually great in snow. tons of weight over the front axle means you can turn and stop very easily in poor traction conditions.

Yeah, that's actually true... if you have snow tires!

Pharmacist · 12-28-2011, 10:50 AM

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bad balance is actually great in snow. tons of weight over the front axle means you can turn and stop very easily in poor traction conditions.

i disagree. it also means the rear of the car is prone to losing traction, especially under braking. i used to have a chrysler intrepid, and all the drivetrain (engine, gearbox, diff) was IN FRONT of the front wheels. brake a bit too hard and the back end would get light on its wheels. Occasionally that led to a bit of minor fishtailing under braking. Nothing the ABS didn't fix but it still did happen.

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Pharmacist A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 1,249 Drives: 09 370z Sport 6MT Rep Power: 20	well, overpowering the rear tires won't be too hard when you have 500 hp on tap. i definitely would never drive a vette on snow, even with snow tires and all the electronic nannies active. also, understeer is easier to control in a panic situation. it's a natural reflex to freeze up and slam on the brakes when in panic mode making split second decision. it's counterintuitive and needs a lot of practice to countersteer, and avoid touching the brakes. it takes a much more experienced driver to deal with oversteer in an emergency. that's why most cars, even rwd cars, come from the factory with understeer dialed in. __________________ 2009 370z Sport Touring/Nismo shift Knob/Z1 motorsports 34 row oil cooler

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