The Z's future

m4a1mustang · 12-01-2011, 07:46 AM

I will say if we can find unlimited oil and continue on with our traditional engines I'll be all for it.

andre12031948 · 12-01-2011, 08:01 AM

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I will say if we can find unlimited oil and continue on with our traditional engines I'll be all for it.

Well, if we don't do a thing about developing oil, & nuke energy, & electricity is made mostly by burning dirty coal & oil, well.................good luck

b1adesofcha0s · 12-01-2011, 08:09 AM

Wonder if people had the same reaction with steam engines when the gasoline engines came out

Red__Zed · 12-01-2011, 08:11 AM

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Wonder if people had the same reaction with steam engines when the gasoline engines came out

You'll never have a true performance vehicle that runs on gas! True performance vehicles run on hay and say NEEEEEIIIIGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!

b1adesofcha0s · 12-01-2011, 08:16 AM

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You'll never have a true performance vehicle that runs on gas! True performance vehicles run on hay and say NEEEEEIIIIGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!

Horse power in its most purest form. Real enthusiasts get their HP straight from the horses. Wanna mod it to make it faster? Throw on some light weight Nike horse shoes

edub370 · 12-01-2011, 08:18 AM

The future of cars enlies in us finding a replacement for gasoline that can run in internal combustion engines. making a slow "switch" to electric vehicles will NEVER happen in anyone on here's lifetime.

for instance, my car now runs on baby rabbits and orphan tears

Cmike2780 · 12-01-2011, 08:20 AM

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The future of cars enlies in us finding a replacement for gasoline that can run in internal combustion engines. making a slow "switch" to electric vehicles will NEVER happen in anyone on here's lifetime.

for instance, my car now runs on baby rabbits and orphan tears

My Z only uses hookers and cocaine, it gets really expensive.

b1adesofcha0s · 12-01-2011, 08:22 AM

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My Z only uses hookers and cocaine, it gets really expensive.

I see you got the Charlie Sheen package. Winning!

Red__Zed · 12-01-2011, 08:27 AM

On the price front, there's about 2-3 more years worth of work before supercaps are a viable primary storage device, and then we are probably 5-6 years of regulation away from things being more economical to make the switch.

b1adesofcha0s · 12-01-2011, 09:08 AM

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On the price front, there's about 2-3 more years worth of work before supercaps are a viable primary storage device, and then we are probably 5-6 years of regulation away from things being more economical to make the switch.

*goes to wikipedia to look up supercapacitors*

Spikuh · 12-01-2011, 09:16 AM

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*goes to wikipedia to look up supercapacitors*

Did the same. Didn't understand much of it outside of there are pros and cons.

Red__Zed · 12-01-2011, 09:24 AM

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Did the same. Didn't understand much of it outside of there are pros and cons.

They will make KERS systems much more efficient due to the ability to charge nearly instantly (limited by RC time constant, but relative to a battery, almost instant). The ability to pull so much more energy from KERS will dramatically increase the range, which has always been a sore spot for EVs. The instant charging will also alleviate the "plug in overnight" problem....caps are also MUCH less volatile than a battery.

The problem we now run into is the distribution system...we don't currently have the infrastructure to bring power to all these cars....

m4a1mustang · 12-01-2011, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

They will make KERS systems much more efficient due to the ability to charge nearly instantly (limited by RC time constant, but relative to a battery, almost instant). The ability to pull so much more energy from KERS will dramatically increase the range, which has always been a sore spot for EVs. The instant charging will also alleviate the "plug in overnight" problem....caps are also MUCH less volatile than a battery.

The problem we now run into is the distribution system...we don't currently have the infrastructure to bring power to all these cars....

Pfft. Greenie Prius drivers will tell you that the coal fired electric plants are far better on the environment than a ultra low emissions gas powered Civic/Corolla/Sentra/5.0h/etc.

Spikuh · 12-01-2011, 09:46 AM

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The problem we now run into is the distribution system...we don't currently have the infrastructure to bring power to all these cars....

I assume you are talking about the electrical grid and I would agree. Our power grid is antiquated at best. I keep wondering if/when we will ever modernize our national power distribution system. I would think this would be an easy sell to the power that be, but who knows...

On a related note, my biggest concerns with swapping to pure EV (many years/decades from now) would be what it does to the price of electricity in general and whether or not we would have the constant throughput to handle all these cars being plugged in to the power grid without going over capacity.

In the meantime, I expect to see gasoline hybrids and natural gas (insert alternative type fuel) hybrids becoming the norm. I would really like to see a push for natural gas since it is cleaner than gasoline, we have lots of it here, is easily on tap, and would not require to much change from our normal combustion engines. I want hybrids to get a bigger foothold first. We don't need to go gas -> gas/hybrid -> nat gas -> nat gas/hybrid because then we are back to where we started from only X number of years down the road. I also think (and I could be wrong) that our infrastructure for gasonline distribution can be easily repurposed for natural gas distribution. My thoughts anyway...

ProfessorDave · 12-01-2011, 08:59 AM

This thread has forced Rush's "Red Barchetta" song into my brain.

Not my favorite Rush song. Please get it out.

12-01-2011, 07:46 AM	#1 (permalink)
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edub370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: KCMO Posts: 3,458 Drives: 09 370z S/T 6MT Rep Power: 21	The future of cars enlies in us finding a replacement for gasoline that can run in internal combustion engines. making a slow "switch" to electric vehicles will NEVER happen in anyone on here's lifetime. for instance, my car now runs on baby rabbits and orphan tears __________________ 09 370Z ST 6MT//Injen CAI//Greddy CBE//TP//TSW's//Swifts//Stillen lip//Whiteline sways 326whp/268tq

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ProfessorDave A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Scranton, PA Posts: 1,580 Drives: In the fairway Rep Power: 20	This thread has forced Rush's "Red Barchetta" song into my brain. Not my favorite Rush song. Please get it out. __________________ Rain, snow, sleet, hail: 2009 Mazda 3 sGT HB Everything else: 2009 370z, PW Touring 6MT

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Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 121	On the price front, there's about 2-3 more years worth of work before supercaps are a viable primary storage device, and then we are probably 5-6 years of regulation away from things being more economical to make the switch.