Why is our car so heavy?

Red__Zed · 11-20-2011, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkZide

Sounds like you are full of crap. Thats weight from all countries. The american GSR is 3517 and the MR is 3572. You are wrong and making stuff up, as usual.

I don't buy manufacturer numbers, and true stock numbers are useless

Mitsu's weights are based on a full tank, nissan's are not. The Z probably has about 120lbs under an equivalently equipped GSR, and 200 under a loaded MR.

In track form (trunk cleared, no rear seats, etc,) the Mitsu is comparable, but the weight distribution is pretty eh.

m4a1mustang · 11-20-2011, 04:30 PM

Too many damn trim levels. I found an MT article with the Evo SE and they had it at 3,563. I'm guessing that's the "nice" Evo, not the totally stripped down evo.

Red__Zed · 11-20-2011, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Too many damn trim levels. I found an MT article with the Evo SE and they had it at 3,563. I'm guessing that's the "nice" Evo, not the totally stripped down evo.

it's between the mr and the gsr

m4a1mustang · 11-20-2011, 04:32 PM

So which Evo is the heaviest?

Red__Zed · 11-20-2011, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

So which Evo is the heaviest?

i think now it is the MR touring. It's also like 40 grand

daleks · 11-20-2011, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

i think now it is the MR touring. It's also like 40 grand

The MR Touring ditches the aluminum roof and puts back on a steel one with a glass sunroof. A GSR compared to a standard MR just has different wheel well liners.

DarkZide · 11-20-2011, 06:08 PM

and how do you know that? curb weight is defined as all fluids at their normal levels and a full tank of gas.

And no MFR in their right mind would list their car 300 lbs heavier than it is.

If you really think an Evo X weighs the same as a 370z you have lost your mind.

Red__Zed · 11-20-2011, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I don't buy manufacturer numbers, and true stock numbers are useless

Mitsu's weights are based on a full tank, nissan's are not. The Z probably has about 120lbs under an equivalently equipped GSR, and 200 under a loaded MR.

In track form (trunk cleared, no rear seats, etc,) the Mitsu is comparable, but the weight distribution is pretty eh.

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Originally Posted by DarkZide

and how do you know that? curb weight is defined as all fluids at their normal levels and a full tank of gas.

And no MFR in their right mind would list their car 300 lbs heavier than it is.

If you really think an Evo X weighs the same as a 370z you have lost your mind.

I'm talking cleared trunk/seats, etc, and I'm really only concerned with independent weightings. I've seen the Z tested as high as 3425, and I know it doesn't weigh that much....

m4a1mustang · 11-20-2011, 06:13 PM

I did some research and I am comfortable saying the (US Spec) Evos are all 3500+. At least the current generations.

The weight sheet Red posted must have involved some weight reduction.

Red__Zed · 11-20-2011, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I did some research and I am comfortable saying the (US Spec) Evos are all 3500+. At least the current generations.

The weight sheet Red posted must have involved some weight reduction.

It did. Cleared trunk, no rear, etc, like I said in the post.

m4a1mustang · 11-20-2011, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

It did. Cleared trunk, no rear, etc, like I said in the post.

This is what happens when I don't read anything.

I missed that.

Jordo! · 11-20-2011, 07:26 PM

The Z could easily be at least 200 lbs lighter... but getting there would have probably added a few grand to the cost.

3200-3300 is adequate given its power and torque, and not wildly far off the weight of similar but pricier cars (e.g., various Porsches)

If there was a way to get the Z down to < 3K lbs (without a hack saw) this car would be perfect!

Maybe there'll be some good power upgrades for the < 2700 lb FR-S that will be coming out soon...

cossie1600 · 11-20-2011, 08:24 PM

My C6 Corvette stock with everything was 3300lbs on full tank. My 370z base+sport was 3350 with full tank. My 06 RX-8 was 3000lbs on full tank. My 04 350 enth. was 3320lbs.

All stock with full tank, no driver or luggage.

Red__Zed · 11-20-2011, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkZide

and how do you know that? curb weight is defined as all fluids at their normal levels and a full tank of gas.

because of the difference in claimed weight vs actual measured weight

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

My C6 Corvette stock with everything was 3300lbs on full tank. My 370z base+sport was 3350 with full tank. My 06 RX-8 was 3000lbs on full tank. My 04 350 enth. was 3320lbs.

All stock with full tank, no driver or luggage.

cossie1600 · 11-21-2011, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

because of the difference in claimed weight vs actual measured weight

The 3200lbs (I think it was 324x or something?) curb weight figure Nissan released is probably very close to a base. It wouldn't surprise me that the sport package add 80-100lbs to it.

11-20-2011, 04:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	Too many damn trim levels. I found an MT article with the Evo SE and they had it at 3,563. I'm guessing that's the "nice" Evo, not the totally stripped down evo. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	So which Evo is the heaviest? __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

11-20-2011, 06:13 PM	#9 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	I did some research and I am comfortable saying the (US Spec) Evos are all 3500+. At least the current generations. The weight sheet Red posted must have involved some weight reduction. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 419	The Z could easily be at least 200 lbs lighter... but getting there would have probably added a few grand to the cost. 3200-3300 is adequate given its power and torque, and not wildly far off the weight of similar but pricier cars (e.g., various Porsches) If there was a way to get the Z down to < 3K lbs (without a hack saw) this car would be perfect! Maybe there'll be some good power upgrades for the < 2700 lb FR-S that will be coming out soon... __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it.

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11-20-2011, 06:08 PM	#7 (permalink)
DarkZide Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: TN Posts: 291 Drives: 2010 370z BC M6 Rep Power: 16	and how do you know that? curb weight is defined as all fluids at their normal levels and a full tank of gas. And no MFR in their right mind would list their car 300 lbs heavier than it is. If you really think an Evo X weighs the same as a 370z you have lost your mind.

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cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 31	My C6 Corvette stock with everything was 3300lbs on full tank. My 370z base+sport was 3350 with full tank. My 06 RX-8 was 3000lbs on full tank. My 04 350 enth. was 3320lbs. All stock with full tank, no driver or luggage.

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