Response from Nissan about Oil Cooler

UNKNOWN_370 · 10-22-2011, 08:57 AM

HEY FANBOYS!!! GET SOME HISTORY ON THESE TYPES OF PROBLEMS BEFORE AGGREEING WITH NISSAN ON THERE REASONS. HERE'S A THREAD FROM BIMMERFEST 4 YEARS AGO. CARFIFF33 and DESERTDRIVER are examples of WHY THE 335I DOESN'T HAVE A LIMP MODE ISSUE ANYMORE!

The official 335i oil cooler thread - Page 20 - Bimmerfest - BMW Forums

The oil cooler I will be installing in April is gonna kick 20 asses on the 12 Z's stock cooler but there's principle to making them at minimum add warrantied part.

IF YOU ARE COMPARING POWER WINDOWS ANDSUN VISORS OR POWER SEATS TO A F*****N OIL COOLER THAT CAN ACTUALLY SAVE PEOPLE IN SOUTHERN/DESERT STATES FROM BEING STALLED OR TAKING 100 YEARS TO GET HOME FROM LIMP MODE IS BUGGIN OUT OR ON CRACK OR SOMETHIN???
I truly don't get people. Slaves to corporate america. Non-free thinkers? People who are easily swayed by commercials and speeches without going thru a proposal or contract with a fine toothed comb? People who are just so happy to be in their favorite car and embellish in fanboism so deeply that they want to compare an engineering flaw with RETRO BLUETOOTH???
Hahahahahahahaaaaaaaa... what is this the F*****N Kia Forté forums????. Lol. Right now this thread is making Kia forum members sound like hardcore enthusiasts and us like the posers if you can't decifer the difference beteween a damn visor and an oil cooler issue. WOW! Yeah ok... hey I have a bridge to sell to everyone that agrees with Nissan.

PS here's a link down the line of people getting there free retrofits and discussions of warranteed parts for non sport pkg parts. Its done when a company cares abouut there reputation in motorsports. Not bad for a company without a dedicated sports car.
The official 335i oil cooler thread - Page 27 - Bimmerfest - BMW Forums

Red__Zed · 10-22-2011, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

HEY FANBOYS!!! GET SOME HISTORY ON THESE TYPES OF PROBLEMS BEFORE AGGREEING WITH NISSAN ON THERE REASONS. HERE'S A THREAD FROM BIMMERFEST 4 YEARS AGO. CARFIFF33 and DESERTDRIVER are examples of WHY THE 335I DOESN'T HAVE A LIMP MODE ISSUE ANYMORE!

The official 335i oil cooler thread - Page 20 - Bimmerfest - BMW Forums

The oil cooler I will be installing in April is gonna kick 20 asses on the 12 Z's stock cooler but there's principle to making them at minimum add warrantied part.

IF YOU ARE COMPARING POWER WINDOWS ANDSUN VISORS OR POWER SEATS TO A F*****N OIL COOLER THAT CAN ACTUALLY SAVE PEOPLE IN SOUTHERN/DESERT STATES FROM BEING STALLED OR TAKING 100 YEARS TO GET HOME FROM LIMP MODE IS BUGGIN OUT OR ON CRACK OR SOMETHIN???
I truly don't get people. Slaves to corporate america. Non-free thinkers? People who are easily swayed by commercials and speeches without going thru a proposal or contract with a fine toothed comb? People who are just so happy to be in their favorite car and embellish in fanboism so deeply that they want to compare an engineering flaw with RETRO BLUETOOTH???
Hahahahahahahaaaaaaaa... what is this the F*****N Kia Forté forums????. Lol. Right now this thread is making Kia forum members sound like hardcore enthusiasts and us like the posers if you can't decifer the difference beteween a damn visor and an oil cooler issue. WOW! Yeah ok... hey I have a bridge to sell to everyone that agrees with Nissan.

Feeling ok bro?

UNKNOWN_370 · 10-22-2011, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Feeling ok bro?

It just bother the hell out of me that anyone would compare sun visors and power windows to an overheating issue where limp mode IS NOT an appropriate fix for a dedicated sports car, plain and simple. May I repeat the words dedicated sports car. Its just ridiculous. As us being true enthusiasts we should care about things like this... but then again this is the same forum that wants there production sports car that is already in legendary status to be cancelled for more exclusivity... anyway, I'm done dude. Wow.

Red__Zed · 10-22-2011, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

It just bother the hell out of me that anyone would compare sun visors and power windows to an overheating issue where limp mode IS NOT an appropriate fix for a dedicated sports car, plain and simple. May I repeat the words dedicated sports car. Its just ridiculous. As us being true enthusiasts we should care about things like this... but then again this is the same forum that wants there production sports car that is already in legendary status to be cancelled for more exclusivity... anyway, I'm done dude. Wow.

I mean hey, I went through my period of complaining about it, but you can't expect Nissan to go back and fix it. The cars were sold with the issue well known.

You also really can't call the z a dedicated sports car. It's not sold as such, and most owners don't treat it as such. Enjoy it for what it is. Limp mode probably won't be a problem, and even if it is, you are only gonna hit the 5.5k limit....

And if you're really unhappy, there are other ways to let Nissan know.

UNKNOWN_370 · 10-22-2011, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I mean hey, I went through my period of complaining about it, but you can't expect Nissan to go back and fix it. The cars were sold with the issue well known.

You also really can't call the z a dedicated sports car. It's not sold as such, and most owners don't treat it as such. Enjoy it for what it is. Limp mode probably won't be a problem, and even if it is, you are only gonna hit the 5.5k limit....

And if you're really unhappy, there are other ways to let Nissan know.

Like I said. I'm not worried about it for myself. I'm going FI and the stock cooler in new york laymans terms is "GAHBIDGE"! Lol. BUT, I. Beg to differ on how this car is Sold. Here in Dallas, many dealers immediately throw out its a "Niché true sports car" and immediately throw out there MSRP as the God amount. You have to know how to hustle in Tx and be willing to walk away from many a lot to get a fair deal on a Z. I do agree the "reality" we get a lot of guys that buy this dedicated sports car and cry like babies about road noise and wanting a better way to open the trunk in spite of the fact that its a SPORTS CAR. But anyway, I feel instead of asking for heated mirrors or powered mirrors and all that crap. For the type of car it is, performance enhancers are what the changes should be. And I don't mean going V8, getting turbos for a $2k jump in price or some of the other unrealistic ideas people have. I mean fixing basic performance flaws, like oil consumption and limp mode. Or brake cooling. It doesn't look good when regular cars go on a track and outperform in durability against a Z.
And no offense Zed its a lot easier for you to dismiss the issue as a past issue when your main priority is the Mustang now. I'm not saying that your Z love isn't there. I'm just saying this issue is less real for you now that you don't have to deal with it.

Like I said, me personally. I don't need there crappy cooler. But its a matter of principle. Don't play the part be the part. Or just don't produce the car. I can care less about a trunk release or extra cupholders or whatever BS feature garbage there is.
And I'm not saying there aren't things I wouldn't want improved. But the oil cooler is the ONLY thing aside from brake cooling that I can see Nissan AT LEAST OFFERING.
I DON'T CARE IF THEY TELL CONSUMERS THAT IT WILL BE SOMETHING THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR. Bill them, I don't care... offer it though as a token of standing by your product.

Ridgerunner · 10-22-2011, 04:34 PM

Ain't they got no proofreeders at Nissen?

onzedge · 10-22-2011, 04:36 PM

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Ain't they got no proofreeders at Nissen?

Red__Zed · 10-23-2011, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Like I said. I'm not worried about it for myself. I'm going FI and the stock cooler in new york laymans terms is "GAHBIDGE"! Lol. BUT, I. Beg to differ on how this car is Sold. Here in Dallas, many dealers immediately throw out its a "Niché true sports car" and immediately throw out there MSRP as the God amount. You have to know how to hustle in Tx and be willing to walk away from many a lot to get a fair deal on a Z. I do agree the "reality" we get a lot of guys that buy this dedicated sports car and cry like babies about road noise and wanting a better way to open the trunk in spite of the fact that its a SPORTS CAR. But anyway, I feel instead of asking for heated mirrors or powered mirrors and all that crap. For the type of car it is, performance enhancers are what the changes should be. And I don't mean going V8, getting turbos for a $2k jump in price or some of the other unrealistic ideas people have. I mean fixing basic performance flaws, like oil consumption and limp mode. Or brake cooling. It doesn't look good when regular cars go on a track and outperform in durability against a Z.
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I mean, I stand with you there. I was very frustrated with how Nissan handled the oil cooler issue, and refusing to offer a warrantied version for previous owners is fairly weak--though not unexpected.

The dealer calling it a sports car is on them, not Nissan. Nissan doesn't really market the car as a sports car, and any enthusiasts can readily look at the car and see that it is not geared at the hardcore crowd. It's a blast of a car to drive, but it's definitely not a stripped down sports car. I don't think anyone bought the car expecting it to be either.

Of course, the oil cooler issue was more than that...since you get the cooler on cars like the maxima....but that's for another thread.

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And no offense Zed its a lot easier for you to dismiss the issue as a past issue when your main priority is the Mustang now. I'm not saying that your Z love isn't there. I'm just saying this issue is less real for you now that you don't have to deal with it.

That's true...but I left the car partly because of how real that issue (amongst others) was. I know how it goes, and Nissan's back-and-forth on issue handling really frustrated me. It's been funny to me to see how certain companies that have a bad rep on warranty issues actually turn out to be really good, whereas others turned out to be much worse than expected.

When I had my Z, it was re-painted several times under warranty. After the first re-paint, Nissan refused to pay for the re-install of a clear bra, and the fight dragged out for around a month....probably wasn't worth my time.

On the second re-paint, they determined that because the orange peel was happening on non-factory paint (dealer re-painted the car), they were not liable

Then, when the car's showed significant rust underneath with only summer driving, it took quite a while to get them to make that right.

On the other hand, they did take care of several of the major issues I had with little complaint...just saying, it's not really new to anyone what kind of company Nissan is when it comes to warranty repairs. You knew going in that they can be a little sheisty, especially when it comes to the oil cooler.

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Like I said, me personally. I don't need there crappy cooler. But its a matter of principle. Don't play the part be the part. Or just don't produce the car. I can care less about a trunk release or extra cupholders or whatever BS feature garbage there is.
And I'm not saying there aren't things I wouldn't want improved. But the oil cooler is the ONLY thing aside from brake cooling that I can see Nissan AT LEAST OFFERING.
I DON'T CARE IF THEY TELL CONSUMERS THAT IT WILL BE SOMETHING THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR. Bill them, I don't care... offer it though as a token of standing by your product

See above for comments on Nissan. They've long said it's not a problem, and strictly speaking, they are correct.

Do I think they should offer a warrantied cooler? Of course.

Do I think they can from a financial standpoint? No. It is not just the cost of the cooler/labor (which I'd assume the owner would cover) but an adjustment would be required on the cars already sold and revenue already recognized...not really practical.

I don't understand dinging that cooler as crap though. It should be more than sufficient for anyone's use in anything resembling a stock form. I think that with an upgraded radiator, it will outperform an aircooled system, since you are dealing with less blocked airflow.

MacCool · 10-22-2011, 09:27 AM

I bought the 370Z as a fun road car for occasional "spirited driving", not as a track car. It wasn't advertised as a track car, and it would be my expectation that if I ran it a lot on the track, I'd have to cough up for appropriate track mods, oil cooler included. That expense would be relatively minor compared to the price increase that the additional insurance coverage would cost me.

In my daily driving, oil temps have never been even close to limp mode, or anything else that would cause me alarm. It's fine with me that Nissan elected to add an oil cooler for 2012. On my 2011, I don't need it and for my use can't envision it possibly being worth the chance that Nissan could use an aftermarket version installation as an excuse to void the warranty.

UNKNOWN_370 · 10-22-2011, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MacCool

I bought the 370Z as a fun road car for occasional "spirited driving", not as a track car. It wasn't advertised as a track car, and it would be my expectation that if I ran it a lot on the track, I'd have to cough up for appropriate track mods, oil cooler included. That expense would be relatively minor compared to the price increase that the additional insurance coverage would cost me.

In my daily driving, oil temps have never been even close to limp mode, or anything else that would cause me alarm. It's fine with me that Nissan elected to add an oil cooler for 2012. On my 2011, I don't need it and for my use can't envision it possibly being worth the chance that Nissan could use an aftermarket version installation as an excuse to void the warranty.

Dude that's your own personal experience. How bout the forum brothers living on the deep southern end that can see heat indexes as high as 130? I had one Z without the issue and one Z with. You DO NOT have to be on a track to get close or see limp mode. A lot of you are letting that part go over your head. But anyway.

Rui Z · 10-22-2011, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Dude that's your own personal experience. How bout the forum brothers living on the deep southern end that can see heat indexes as high as 130? I had one Z without the issue and one Z with. You DO NOT have to be on a track to get close or see limp mode. A lot of you are letting that part go over your head. But anyway.

You'll hit limp mode no matter how you drive when it gets that hot? Damn that sux

Alchemy · 10-22-2011, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Dude that's your own personal experience. How bout the forum brothers living on the deep southern end that can see heat indexes as high as 130? I had one Z without the issue and one Z with. You DO NOT have to be on a track to get close or see limp mode. A lot of you are letting that part go over your head. But anyway.

I live in NJ so we dont see temps quite as high as the south but it gets darn hot. It was in the high 90s for weeks this past summer. During that time I pushed my Z many times on the backroads. I never even came close to limp mode. I personally think its pretty hard to get it into limp mode on the street unless you are driving like a total azzhat. I can see how indexes of 130 could lead to it though I suppose.

Skeeterbop · 10-22-2011, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Alchemy

I live in NJ so we dont see temps quite as high as the south but it gets darn hot. It was in the high 90s for weeks this past summer. During that time I pushed my Z many times on the backroads. I never even came close to limp mode. I personally think its pretty hard to get it into limp mode on the street unless you are driving like a total azzhat. I can see how indexes of 130 could lead to it though I suppose.

Driving spiritedly on the backroads of central texas, Southern Appalachians, western New Mexico/east Arizona, and now west Texas; I have never reached limp mode. I've come close, but I've never had any need to slow down for it to cool off. I just change up a gear and keep going, problem solved.

Nikkolai · 10-22-2011, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeeterbop

Driving spiritedly on the backroads of central texas, Southern Appalachians, western New Mexico/east Arizona, and now west Texas; I have never reached limp mode. I've come close, but I've never had any need to slow down for it to cool off. I just change up a gear and keep going, problem solved.

Same here. I took my car to El Paso in the summer and while in DFW with record heat waves, no limp mode. Since I am going to track mine, I installed an oil cooler myself. Very easy.

10-22-2011, 08:57 AM	#1 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14860	HEY FANBOYS!!! GET SOME HISTORY ON THESE TYPES OF PROBLEMS BEFORE AGGREEING WITH NISSAN ON THERE REASONS. HERE'S A THREAD FROM BIMMERFEST 4 YEARS AGO. CARFIFF33 and DESERTDRIVER are examples of WHY THE 335I DOESN'T HAVE A LIMP MODE ISSUE ANYMORE! The official 335i oil cooler thread - Page 20 - Bimmerfest - BMW Forums The oil cooler I will be installing in April is gonna kick 20 asses on the 12 Z's stock cooler but there's principle to making them at minimum add warrantied part. IF YOU ARE COMPARING POWER WINDOWS ANDSUN VISORS OR POWER SEATS TO A F***N OIL COOLER THAT CAN ACTUALLY SAVE PEOPLE IN SOUTHERN/DESERT STATES FROM BEING STALLED OR TAKING 100 YEARS TO GET HOME FROM LIMP MODE IS BUGGIN OUT OR ON CRACK OR SOMETHIN??? I truly don't get people. Slaves to corporate america. Non-free thinkers? People who are easily swayed by commercials and speeches without going thru a proposal or contract with a fine toothed comb? People who are just so happy to be in their favorite car and embellish in fanboism so deeply that they want to compare an engineering flaw with RETRO BLUETOOTH??? Hahahahahahahaaaaaaaa... what is this the F**N Kia Forté forums????. Lol. Right now this thread is making Kia forum members sound like hardcore enthusiasts and us like the posers if you can't decifer the difference beteween a damn visor and an oil cooler issue. WOW! Yeah ok... hey I have a bridge to sell to everyone that agrees with Nissan. PS here's a link down the line of people getting there free retrofits and discussions of warranteed parts for non sport pkg parts. Its done when a company cares abouut there reputation in motorsports. Not bad for a company without a dedicated sports car. The official 335i oil cooler thread - Page 27 - Bimmerfest - BMW Forums Last edited by UNKNOWN_370; 10-22-2011 at 09:23 AM.*

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Ridgerunner Base Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 79 Drives: 09 370Z Black 6M SP Rep Power: 17	Ain't they got no proofreeders at Nissen?

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MacCool A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Midwest Posts: 1,349 Drives: 370Z PW 2014 Rep Power: 18	I bought the 370Z as a fun road car for occasional "spirited driving", not as a track car. It wasn't advertised as a track car, and it would be my expectation that if I ran it a lot on the track, I'd have to cough up for appropriate track mods, oil cooler included. That expense would be relatively minor compared to the price increase that the additional insurance coverage would cost me. In my daily driving, oil temps have never been even close to limp mode, or anything else that would cause me alarm. It's fine with me that Nissan elected to add an oil cooler for 2012. On my 2011, I don't need it and for my use can't envision it possibly being worth the chance that Nissan could use an aftermarket version installation as an excuse to void the warranty.