2012s on lots....where are the oil coolers?

gbrettin · 10-19-2011, 01:46 PM

I'm going to cut in and throw a question out there....

Would it be good to use a air cooled and water cooled system together? The reason I say this is because water cooled portion will bring the temp up quickly and regulate the temp. The air cooled system would be an additional radiator for cooling.

Am I totally off base here?

Cmike2780 · 10-19-2011, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by gbrettin

I'm going to cut in and throw a question out there....

Would it be good to use a air cooled and water cooled system together? The reason I say this is because water cooled portion will bring the temp up quickly and regulate the temp. The air cooled system would be an additional radiator for cooling.

Am I totally off base here?

Why over complicate matters. Depending on your driving habits, you don't necessarily "need" either one for street use. The track or track like conditions has already proven the air cooled units to be effective depending on the unit and purpose. Some are in fact too effective, in which case a thermal plate is required to prevent over cooling. Using both is kind of like using steamroller to hammer in a nail.

wstar · 10-19-2011, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

Why over complicate matters. Depending on your driving habits, you don't necessarily "need" either one for street use. The track or track like conditions has already proven the air cooled units to be effective depending on the unit and purpose. Some are in fact too effective, in which case a thermal plate is required to prevent over cooling. Using both is kind of like using steamroller to hammer in a nail.

With the existing air coolers, the thermostatic sandwich plate isn't enough when the weather gets cold though, you need a block-off plate for the front usually as well.

You're right once you've paid the risk cost of running lines out front for an air cooler, you could just as easily upsize the cooler if you need to instead of adding on a water cooler.

However: I originally installed a 19-row air cooler (+thermo plate, and now +blockoff plate too in the colder months) for street and light track use, and I want a bit more cooling before next summer. If we didn't have an easy water kit, I'd probably just bump up to a 25 or 34 and need to use blockoff plates more often. Adding the water cooler seems like an even better option to me (assuming it isn't ridiculously overpriced) because it may just let me leave my 19-row in place, get sufficient track cooling, and actually help with the overcooling in cold situations rather than hurt.

2011 Nismo#91 · 10-19-2011, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

Adding the water cooler seems like an even better option to me (assuming it isn't ridiculously overpriced) because it may just let me leave my 19-row in place, get sufficient track cooling, and actually help with the overcooling in cold situations rather than hurt.

This seems like the best option to me, kinda best of both worlds. And the one I'd go with depending on how the oil/water cooler performs and costs.

onzedge · 10-19-2011, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 2011 Nismo#91

This seems like the best option to me, kinda best of both worlds. And the one I'd go with depending on how the oil/water cooler performs and costs.

I would worry about having enough clearance with the oil/water thing-a-ma-jiggy and a sandwich plate dealy-bob.

corbin09 · 10-19-2011, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by onzedge

I would worry about having enough clearance with the oil/water thing-a-ma-jiggy and a sandwich plate dealy-bob.

Lol with all of the technical oil and engineering jargon, it was nice to see someone explain something like I would.

b1adesofcha0s · 10-19-2011, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

With the existing air coolers, the thermostatic sandwich plate isn't enough when the weather gets cold though, you need a block-off plate for the front usually as well.

You're right once you've paid the risk cost of running lines out front for an air cooler, you could just as easily upsize the cooler if you need to instead of adding on a water cooler.

However: I originally installed a 19-row air cooler (+thermo plate, and now +blockoff plate too in the colder months) for street and light track use, and I want a bit more cooling before next summer. If we didn't have an easy water kit, I'd probably just bump up to a 25 or 34 and need to use blockoff plates more often. Adding the water cooler seems like an even better option to me (assuming it isn't ridiculously overpriced) because it may just let me leave my 19-row in place, get sufficient track cooling, and actually help with the overcooling in cold situations rather than hurt.

This is what I would like to do if this oil/water cooler is somewhat effective and can be easily and cheaply retrofitted. It would allow me to at least go to a track without investing in an air/oil cooler for a little bit just to get the experience. Then I could later just add a 19 row cooler and not necessarily have to go up to 25 row.

Red__Zed · 10-19-2011, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

This is what I would like to do if this oil/water cooler is somewhat effective and can be easily and cheaply retrofitted. It would allow me to at least go to a track without investing in an air/oil cooler for a little bit just to get the experience. Then I could later just add a 19 row cooler and not necessarily have to go up to 25 row.

I do not like the idea of stacking the systems, but I will reserve judgment until I actually see how it is implemented.

b1adesofcha0s · 10-19-2011, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I do not like the idea of stacking the systems, but I will reserve judgment until I actually see how it is implemented.

So then people who buy 2012 Z's that come with the oil/water cooler might have to remove it if they want to upgrade to an oil/air cooler?

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gbrettin A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Portage, MI Posts: 2,304 Drives: Tricycle Rep Power: 589452	I'm going to cut in and throw a question out there.... Would it be good to use a air cooled and water cooled system together? The reason I say this is because water cooled portion will bring the temp up quickly and regulate the temp. The air cooled system would be an additional radiator for cooling. Am I totally off base here?