For those of you who have gotten rid of your 370Z

6MT · 10-12-2011, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Lot of Z hatin' going on in this thread. I'd hoped the conversation would remain civil. Oh well.

Red__Zed · 10-12-2011, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Lot of Z hatin' going on in this thread. I'd hoped the conversation would remain civil. Oh well.

I dont really see much z hate going on...besides our resident troll.

Speaking for myself, the identity crisis the z has was the biggest reason for the swap. I felt like I couldn't run it hard without dropping $3-4k getting it ready, and wiping out my peace of mind for reliability. On the other hand, the clutch chatter and transmission issues really prevented it from being a comfy daily. It made a lot of performance compromises for comfort, and a lot of comfort compromises...(for cost I guess?). It was the wrong blend of car for me....though for others, it will be the perfect blend.

Red__Zed · 10-12-2011, 09:32 AM

You need more than just pads to fix the brakes. The brake fade was experienced with the $500 nismo pads...

The caliper retains A TON of heat. I'd love to sit down sometime and run a thermodynamic analysis on the calipers to figure out what's up

m4a1mustang · 10-12-2011, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

You need more than just pads to fix the brakes. The brake fade was experienced with the $500 nismo pads...

The caliper retains A TON of heat. I'd love to sit down sometime and run a thermodynamic analysis on the calipers to figure out what's up

There are a lot of people that have run track sessions with Carbotechs and a good DOT 4+ fluid without any failures, though. It could just be that the NISMO pads are not worth anywhere near $500.

Pharmacist · 10-12-2011, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

There are a lot of people that have run track sessions with Carbotechs and a good DOT 4+ fluid without any failures, though. It could just be that the NISMO pads are not worth anywhere near $500.

i ran 20 and even 30 min sessions with dot 5.1 motur and hawk hp+ pads without a problem. Nismo pads are well known to be crap and not much of an upgrade over the stock pads.

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Lot of Z hatin' going on in this thread. I'd hoped the conversation would remain civil. Oh well.

Hey haven't you noticed? This isn't a z forum anymore. It's teh unofficial Mustang GT forum

Red__Zed · 10-12-2011, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

i ran 20 and even 30 min sessions with dot 5.1 motur and hawk hp+ pads without a problem. Nismo pads are well known to be crap and not much of an upgrade over the stock pads.

Hey haven't you noticed? This isn't a z forum anymore. It's teh unofficial Mustang GT forum

Ever been on a car forum before? They pretty much all have more discussion about competitive cars than this one does. Half the 370z guys here are on the Evo forums, even guys still in z's

PapoZalsa · 10-12-2011, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

You need more than just pads to fix the brakes. The brake fade was experienced with the $500 nismo pads...

The caliper retains A TON of heat. I'd love to sit down sometime and run a thermodynamic analysis on the calipers to figure out what's up

Not in the one they up ended crashing the Nismo, it had wrong pads. That is the reason it overheated during the test.

Anyway this is just one instance, I know the Z is on the $hit list of almost every magazine out there because of the oil temps and brakes overheating....

shadoquad · 10-12-2011, 09:38 AM

It's funny to me what a big deal is made out of the oil and brakes issues.

They mostly matter to people tracking their cars, and out of all the performance models listed, most owners of all of those cars do not take them to the track or push the performance of them nearly enough to matter. So, these largely boil down to "whose is bigger" discussions.

For the populace of owners that do track, there is a list of mods that one has to set out for track readiness. In the Z, this includes 400 up front for an oil cooler (don't know about the 2012s yet) and maybe something to address the brake issue. I know people who've tracked, and haven't heard of them experiencing the braking issue. Plus, Motul 600 fluid is what, 20-30 bucks?

If things like "racing heritage" or "racing image" factor into your decision for buying a car, the Z34 is not the top of that list.

But if you want a low-slung, gorgeous 2-seater that is insanely fun to drive on winding back roads and can be converted for track use, the Z isn't a bad choice at all, imo.

m4a1mustang · 10-12-2011, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

It's funny to me what a big deal is made out of the oil and brakes issues.

They mostly matter to people tracking their cars, and out of all the performance models listed, most owners of all of those cars do not take them to the track or push the performance of them nearly enough to matter. So, these largely boil down to "whose is bigger" discussions.

For the populace of owners that do track, there is a list of mods that one has to set out for track readiness. In the Z, this includes 400 up front for an oil cooler (don't know about the 2012s yet) and maybe something to address the brake issue. I know people who've tracked, and haven't heard of them experiencing the braking issue. Plus, Motul 600 fluid is what, 20-30 bucks?

If things like "racing heritage" or "racing image" factor into your decision for buying a car, the Z34 is not the top of that list.

But if you want a low-slung, gorgeous 2-seater that is insanely fun to drive on winding back roads and can be converted for track use, the Z isn't a bad choice at all, imo.

This. It's one of those things where if you track your car, you probably are going to look at engine and brake cooling ahead of time anyways. No mass produced sub-$50k street car is genuinely "track ready."

GZ3 · 10-12-2011, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

This. It's one of those things where if you track your car, you probably are going to look at engine and brake cooling ahead of time anyways. No mass produced sub-$50k street car is genuinely "track ready."

Exactly, if your REALLY that hard core of a track head OEM stuff would already be on the replace list anyways

GZ3 · 10-12-2011, 09:46 AM

$500 for the nismo pads!?

I've seen the same that Steve has locally, good track pad and brake fluid with no issues

Am suprised at the Z hate too, theres not another car i would rather have at its price bracket...except the 5.0

m4a1mustang · 10-12-2011, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by GZ3

$500 for the nismo pads!?

I've seen the same that Steve has locally, good track pad and brake fluid with no issues

Am suprised at the Z hate too, theres not another car i would rather have at its price bracket...except the 5.0

I really don't see any Z hate. It's just Z Fanboys getting their panties in a bunch if someone talks about another car, or worse, suggests that there are other cars out there that can do things as good as or better than the Z. The horror!

I loved my 370, still do, and I love the Z line. But that doesn't mean I'm going to cover my eyes and ears and go all out fanboy. Most people that know me know I'm passionate about Zs and love to work on them when I can, and if I could get a good deal on a 370Z Roadster I'd be all over it in a heartbeat.

semtex · 10-12-2011, 09:45 AM

All this talk about various long-standing issues (e.g., oil temps, brakes, etc.) just reminded me of one other factor that pushed me away from Nissan -- the Z's paint quality (or lack thereof). When the dust settled from my layoff/divorce and it was time to buy a nice car again, I ruled out getting another Z pretty quickly because of the winters here. I thought about getting an Infiniti G37x to replace it. It's the Z's sister car, after all. Plus it has Infiniti's intelligent AWD that pretty much directs all the power to the rear wheels unless it detects slip, at which time it automatically shifts power up to the front wheels. Best of both worlds, I figure. But then I remembered the paint on my 2009 Z. My Z had way too many chips, and that was in spite of being in Georgia where it rarely snows, and also in spite of having full front ClearBra. I shudder to think of how much worse it'd have been had I driven my Z here on Canadian winter roads with gravel laid down everywhere for traction. Right or wrong, I just don't trust Nissan paint quality anymore on any of their products. Is their paint quality on Infiniti models better? I don't know. But I did ask GT-R owners about their paint quality, and apparently it's no better. If Nissan is going to go cheap on the paint on their halo sports car, I have no reason to believe that they'd up their game for Infiniti. Or maybe they would, I can't say for sure. Either way, I wasn't willing to take that gamble. The paint on my STi has held up exponentially better than it did on the Z thus far, btw. I'm not trying to hate on Nissan either, in case anyone's wondering. I've been loyal to Nissan since I was 16 and my Dad taught me how to drive stick via his '84 300ZX Turbo. My 370Z was the 9th Nissan I bought in my 24 years of driving. But I gotta tell it the way I see it.

shadoquad · 10-12-2011, 10:02 AM

This thread was basically asking for hate on the Z. This is a "nitpick the Z34" thread. A rose by any other name.

And you wonder why the "fanboys" are coming out?

m4a1mustang · 10-12-2011, 10:10 AM

A square setup or a larger rear bar (or both) on the Z would change the dynamic quite a bit, though. If I ever got around to getting wheels for my Z I probably would have opted to run a square setup, or less stagger overall with a bigger bar.

10-12-2011, 09:46 AM	#11 (permalink)
GZ3 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: SATX Posts: 3,296 Drives: Z Rep Power: 22	$500 for the nismo pads!? I've seen the same that Steve has locally, good track pad and brake fluid with no issues Am suprised at the Z hate too, theres not another car i would rather have at its price bracket...except the 5.0 __________________ 09 GT-R 12' 370Z 7AT HANDED DOWN 12'+13' 5.0 SOLD

10-12-2011, 09:45 AM	#13 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 55 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 33	All this talk about various long-standing issues (e.g., oil temps, brakes, etc.) just reminded me of one other factor that pushed me away from Nissan -- the Z's paint quality (or lack thereof). When the dust settled from my layoff/divorce and it was time to buy a nice car again, I ruled out getting another Z pretty quickly because of the winters here. I thought about getting an Infiniti G37x to replace it. It's the Z's sister car, after all. Plus it has Infiniti's intelligent AWD that pretty much directs all the power to the rear wheels unless it detects slip, at which time it automatically shifts power up to the front wheels. Best of both worlds, I figure. But then I remembered the paint on my 2009 Z. My Z had way too many chips, and that was in spite of being in Georgia where it rarely snows, and also in spite of having full front ClearBra. I shudder to think of how much worse it'd have been had I driven my Z here on Canadian winter roads with gravel laid down everywhere for traction. Right or wrong, I just don't trust Nissan paint quality anymore on any of their products. Is their paint quality on Infiniti models better? I don't know. But I did ask GT-R owners about their paint quality, and apparently it's no better. If Nissan is going to go cheap on the paint on their halo sports car, I have no reason to believe that they'd up their game for Infiniti. Or maybe they would, I can't say for sure. Either way, I wasn't willing to take that gamble. The paint on my STi has held up exponentially better than it did on the Z thus far, btw. I'm not trying to hate on Nissan either, in case anyone's wondering. I've been loyal to Nissan since I was 16 and my Dad taught me how to drive stick via his '84 300ZX Turbo. My 370Z was the 9th Nissan I bought in my 24 years of driving. But I gotta tell it the way I see it. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	A square setup or a larger rear bar (or both) on the Z would change the dynamic quite a bit, though. If I ever got around to getting wheels for my Z I probably would have opted to run a square setup, or less stagger overall with a bigger bar. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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10-12-2011, 09:32 AM	#3 (permalink)
Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 121	You need more than just pads to fix the brakes. The brake fade was experienced with the $500 nismo pads... The caliper retains A TON of heat. I'd love to sit down sometime and run a thermodynamic analysis on the calipers to figure out what's up

10-12-2011, 09:38 AM	#8 (permalink)
shadoquad A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: . Posts: 42,608 Drives: . Rep Power: 3887	It's funny to me what a big deal is made out of the oil and brakes issues. They mostly matter to people tracking their cars, and out of all the performance models listed, most owners of all of those cars do not take them to the track or push the performance of them nearly enough to matter. So, these largely boil down to "whose is bigger" discussions. For the populace of owners that do track, there is a list of mods that one has to set out for track readiness. In the Z, this includes 400 up front for an oil cooler (don't know about the 2012s yet) and maybe something to address the brake issue. I know people who've tracked, and haven't heard of them experiencing the braking issue. Plus, Motul 600 fluid is what, 20-30 bucks? If things like "racing heritage" or "racing image" factor into your decision for buying a car, the Z34 is not the top of that list. But if you want a low-slung, gorgeous 2-seater that is insanely fun to drive on winding back roads and can be converted for track use, the Z isn't a bad choice at all, imo.

10-12-2011, 10:02 AM	#14 (permalink)
shadoquad A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: . Posts: 42,608 Drives: . Rep Power: 3887	This thread was basically asking for hate on the Z. This is a "nitpick the Z34" thread. A rose by any other name. And you wonder why the "fanboys" are coming out?