New Z owner in search of mod knowledge

shadoquad · 10-11-2011, 11:04 AM

According to Bryan, though, the stock brakes, even the base brakes, are more brake than a lot of cars already on the track.

And yeah, brake fade can cause an accident, or you could feel the brakes slipping when they start to fade and safely pull over.

It is what it is. I'm getting a brake upgrade regardless.

MightyBobo · 10-11-2011, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

According to Bryan, though, the stock brakes, even the base brakes, are more brake than a lot of cars already on the track.

And yeah, brake fade can cause an accident, or you could feel the brakes slipping when they start to fade and safely pull over.

It is what it is. I'm getting a brake upgrade regardless.

Correct, they are a lot more "brake" (physically in size) than many cars on the track. However, their fade characteristics are fairly scary compared to many other cars. It tends to come rapidly and without warning. This may be a symptom due to PROFESSIONAL drivers pushing it harder, faster - a novice may take longer to heat them up and in turn, overheat them. But the potential easily remains that they can and will fade quickly compared to other cars - even others with smaller overall physical dimensions.

RCZ and I believe TravisJB have both experienced this - they called it "icing up".

BTW, the swiftness in the fade was evident in the Car and Driver test that caused the NISMO to crash - it came on so suddenly and without warning, they COULDNT safely pull over. Scary!

shadoquad · 10-11-2011, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Correct, they are a lot more "brake" (physically in size) than many cars on the track. However, their fade characteristics are fairly scary compared to many other cars. It tends to come rapidly and without warning. This may be a symptom due to PROFESSIONAL drivers pushing it harder, faster - a novice may take longer to heat them up and in turn, overheat them. But the potential easily remains that they can and will fade quickly compared to other cars - even others with smaller overall physical dimensions.

RCZ and I believe TravisJB have both experienced this - they called it "icing up".

BTW, the swiftness in the fade was evident in the Car and Driver test that caused the NISMO to crash - it came on so suddenly and without warning, they COULDNT safely pull over. Scary!

Yikes!

Well, the OP has sport brakes already anyway, so he'd probably be ok getting oil cooler and pads/fluid/lines before tracking, wouldn't you think? And that's not all that pricey compared to replacing the brakes.

Red__Zed · 10-11-2011, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Correct, they are a lot more "brake" (physically in size) than many cars on the track. However, their fade characteristics are fairly scary compared to many other cars. It tends to come rapidly and without warning. This may be a symptom due to PROFESSIONAL drivers pushing it harder, faster - a novice may take longer to heat them up and in turn, overheat them. But the potential easily remains that they can and will fade quickly compared to other cars - even others with smaller overall physical dimensions.

RCZ and I believe TravisJB have both experienced this - they called it "icing up".

BTW, the swiftness in the fade was evident in the Car and Driver test that caused the NISMO to crash - it came on so suddenly and without warning, they COULDNT safely pull over. Scary!

Ice mode is not heat related. It's a failure mode of the z's abs controller.

The issue with the sport brakes is the way the calipers trap heat, failure is sudden. Theres almost no fade before near-total failure. It's a confusion issue.

MightyBobo · 10-11-2011, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Ice mode is not heat related. It's a failure mode of the z's abs controller.

The issue with the sport brakes is the way the calipers trap heat, failure is sudden. Theres almost no fade before near-total failure. It's a confusion issue.

Ahh, very true, I remember now. Sorry, been a while since I talked about ice mode.

Either way, brake fade comes sudden and without much warning.

Red__Zed · 10-11-2011, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Ahh, very true, I remember now. Sorry, been a while since I talked about ice mode.

Either way, brake fade comes sudden and without much warning.

Yep. It's almost definitely a caliper heat handling defect. Guys swapping to a different caliper with the same rotors have seen good results.

Ice mode is a whole 'nother issue...not even gonna touch that.

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shadoquad A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: . Posts: 42,608 Drives: . Rep Power: 3888	According to Bryan, though, the stock brakes, even the base brakes, are more brake than a lot of cars already on the track. And yeah, brake fade can cause an accident, or you could feel the brakes slipping when they start to fade and safely pull over. It is what it is. I'm getting a brake upgrade regardless.