New Z owner in search of mod knowledge

MightyBobo · 10-11-2011, 10:47 AM

Seconded. Brakes and Oil Cooler should both be treated as a "Requirement" for our car. Lack of oil cooler will not kill you. Lack of brakes however, CAN.

shadoquad · 10-11-2011, 11:04 AM

According to Bryan, though, the stock brakes, even the base brakes, are more brake than a lot of cars already on the track.

And yeah, brake fade can cause an accident, or you could feel the brakes slipping when they start to fade and safely pull over.

It is what it is. I'm getting a brake upgrade regardless.

MightyBobo · 10-11-2011, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

According to Bryan, though, the stock brakes, even the base brakes, are more brake than a lot of cars already on the track.

And yeah, brake fade can cause an accident, or you could feel the brakes slipping when they start to fade and safely pull over.

It is what it is. I'm getting a brake upgrade regardless.

Correct, they are a lot more "brake" (physically in size) than many cars on the track. However, their fade characteristics are fairly scary compared to many other cars. It tends to come rapidly and without warning. This may be a symptom due to PROFESSIONAL drivers pushing it harder, faster - a novice may take longer to heat them up and in turn, overheat them. But the potential easily remains that they can and will fade quickly compared to other cars - even others with smaller overall physical dimensions.

RCZ and I believe TravisJB have both experienced this - they called it "icing up".

BTW, the swiftness in the fade was evident in the Car and Driver test that caused the NISMO to crash - it came on so suddenly and without warning, they COULDNT safely pull over. Scary!

shadoquad · 10-11-2011, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Correct, they are a lot more "brake" (physically in size) than many cars on the track. However, their fade characteristics are fairly scary compared to many other cars. It tends to come rapidly and without warning. This may be a symptom due to PROFESSIONAL drivers pushing it harder, faster - a novice may take longer to heat them up and in turn, overheat them. But the potential easily remains that they can and will fade quickly compared to other cars - even others with smaller overall physical dimensions.

RCZ and I believe TravisJB have both experienced this - they called it "icing up".

BTW, the swiftness in the fade was evident in the Car and Driver test that caused the NISMO to crash - it came on so suddenly and without warning, they COULDNT safely pull over. Scary!

Yikes!

Well, the OP has sport brakes already anyway, so he'd probably be ok getting oil cooler and pads/fluid/lines before tracking, wouldn't you think? And that's not all that pricey compared to replacing the brakes.

Red__Zed · 10-11-2011, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Correct, they are a lot more "brake" (physically in size) than many cars on the track. However, their fade characteristics are fairly scary compared to many other cars. It tends to come rapidly and without warning. This may be a symptom due to PROFESSIONAL drivers pushing it harder, faster - a novice may take longer to heat them up and in turn, overheat them. But the potential easily remains that they can and will fade quickly compared to other cars - even others with smaller overall physical dimensions.

RCZ and I believe TravisJB have both experienced this - they called it "icing up".

BTW, the swiftness in the fade was evident in the Car and Driver test that caused the NISMO to crash - it came on so suddenly and without warning, they COULDNT safely pull over. Scary!

Ice mode is not heat related. It's a failure mode of the z's abs controller.

The issue with the sport brakes is the way the calipers trap heat, failure is sudden. Theres almost no fade before near-total failure. It's a confusion issue.

MightyBobo · 10-11-2011, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Ice mode is not heat related. It's a failure mode of the z's abs controller.

The issue with the sport brakes is the way the calipers trap heat, failure is sudden. Theres almost no fade before near-total failure. It's a confusion issue.

Ahh, very true, I remember now. Sorry, been a while since I talked about ice mode.

Either way, brake fade comes sudden and without much warning.

SS_Firehawk · 10-11-2011, 02:56 PM

I think to save money and time I will get the oil cooler on my first oil change, the brakes on my first fluid / pad change, and get the exhaust when cash permits. I can get the intake after those mods. Maybe that will cure the itch temporarily.

MightyBobo · 10-11-2011, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

I think to save money and time I will get the oil cooler on my first oil change, the brakes on my first fluid / pad change, and get the exhaust when cash permits. I can get the intake after those mode. Maybe that will cure the itch temporarily.

Well, theres some good over-the-counter creams that'll help...but its kinda the gift that keeps on giving....

Srsly though, nothing cures the modding itch I dont think :-p.

I'd recommend getting a real oil cooler than the Nissan one thats coming out, but thats me.

Red__Zed · 10-11-2011, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Ahh, very true, I remember now. Sorry, been a while since I talked about ice mode.

Either way, brake fade comes sudden and without much warning.

Yep. It's almost definitely a caliper heat handling defect. Guys swapping to a different caliper with the same rotors have seen good results.

Ice mode is a whole 'nother issue...not even gonna touch that.

onzedge · 10-11-2011, 04:52 PM

I have Mod knowledge. Mod Squad knowledge!!!!

Far out, man. Groovy, baby.

Mt Tam I am · 10-11-2011, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Well, theres some good over-the-counter creams that'll help...but its kinda the gift that keeps on giving....

Srsly though, nothing cures the modding itch I dont think :-p.

I'd recommend getting a real oil cooler than the Nissan one thats coming out, but thats me.

RE:
nothing cures the modding itch I dont think :-p.

I want to spend more on mods, but only if it adds performance. Brakes fill the bill. GTR start button, Fairlady badges, etc are cool for others but not I.

Instead of modding I am thinking another car entirely. Keeping the Z and getting an E type convertible too. That way I can still sink money into a car.

SS_Firehawk · 10-12-2011, 01:37 AM

I've been scratching my head for the past 8 or so hours and can't figure out if HFC's will fit with the F.I. LTH's and CBE or not. I just saw the video of Semtex's Z after he installed the headers and that was exactly what I was looking for. That **** sounds all business.

MightyBobo · 10-12-2011, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

I've been scratching my head for the past 8 or so hours and can't figure out if HFC's will fit with the F.I. LTH's and CBE or not. I just saw the video of Semtex's Z after he installed the headers and that was exactly what I was looking for. That **** sounds all business.

You'll find most people who did headers thought it wasnt worth the labor/money, since you have to drop the motor I believe. The gains arent like on an LSX motor, assuming you're coming from that

SS_Firehawk · 10-12-2011, 07:40 AM

I wasn't necessarily looking at the gains, more so the sound... Maybe while I have my day off I'll analyze it some more. A lot of money just to make it sound slightly different.

MightyBobo · 10-12-2011, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

I wasn't necessarily looking at the gains, more so the sound... Maybe while I have my day off I'll analyze it some more. A lot of money just to make it sound slightly different.

Then my point is even more valid - and you highlighted it lol. A lot of money for a different sound.

Just get HFC's (or test pipes if you can actually get away with it...) and a good CBE.

10-11-2011, 10:47 AM	#16 (permalink)
MightyBobo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 8,465 Drives: No cars; only bikes Rep Power: 52	Seconded. Brakes and Oil Cooler should both be treated as a "Requirement" for our car. Lack of oil cooler will not kill you. Lack of brakes however, CAN. __________________ I don't own a car anymore.

10-11-2011, 02:56 PM	#22 (permalink)
SS_Firehawk Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7334	I think to save money and time I will get the oil cooler on my first oil change, the brakes on my first fluid / pad change, and get the exhaust when cash permits. I can get the intake after those mods. Maybe that will cure the itch temporarily. Last edited by SS_Firehawk; 10-12-2011 at 03:52 AM.

10-12-2011, 07:40 AM	#29 (permalink)
SS_Firehawk Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7334	I wasn't necessarily looking at the gains, more so the sound... Maybe while I have my day off I'll analyze it some more. A lot of money just to make it sound slightly different. __________________ Old Car:GTM TSC'd 550whp / 410lbft tq @ 11.88PSI New Car: Under Construction

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10-11-2011, 11:04 AM	#17 (permalink)
shadoquad A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: . Posts: 42,608 Drives: . Rep Power: 3886	According to Bryan, though, the stock brakes, even the base brakes, are more brake than a lot of cars already on the track. And yeah, brake fade can cause an accident, or you could feel the brakes slipping when they start to fade and safely pull over. It is what it is. I'm getting a brake upgrade regardless.

10-12-2011, 01:37 AM	#27 (permalink)
SS_Firehawk Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7334	I've been scratching my head for the past 8 or so hours and can't figure out if HFC's will fit with the F.I. LTH's and CBE or not. I just saw the video of Semtex's Z after he installed the headers and that was exactly what I was looking for. That **** sounds all business.