2012 Model Will Have OIl Cooler

NYBladeZ · 10-11-2011, 09:00 PM

Fast Intentions Long Tube Headers + Full Meisterschaft exhaust = solution to cabin noise

TreeSemdyZee · 10-11-2011, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LunaZ

You forgot to mention cabin noise.
I can't believe you actually bought such a piece of crap.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again... Between the magazine articles and the presence of an oil temperature gauge, there's more paranoia about oil temperature than actual occurrences of limp mode.
There seems to be a lot of variation in the temperatures experienced by owners which makes me think that the accuracy of the OEM oil temperature gauge is suspect.
If the car didn't have an oil temperature gauge from the factory, we wouldn't be talking about this as much. As far as the track guys are concerned, they would just install one along with their oil cooler.

Just wait until the Miata doors are offered as standard equipment on the 2015 model!
I could just be talking out my butt here, but I'm pretty sure that some risk of major mechanical failure or a safety hazard has to threaten a large number of cars in order for there to be a recall. It took several fatal accidents and a huge public outcry to trigger a recall on Firestone tyre equipped Ford Explorers. Nobody is dying from limp mode and a few guys flogging their cars to the point that the computer implements a safety measure to protect the engine isn't going to trigger a recall. At the end of the Firestone/Ford Explorer tragedies, it was determined that user error (improper inflation) was partially responsible for the tyre failures that caused deaths. I'm pretty sure that pushing the car to limp mode would be considered the result of improper use of the car by the manufacturer and NHSTA despite what we as enthusiasts think is the "proper" way to use a 370Z.

As enthusiasts, the members of this forum represent a small number of the owners of the 370Zs sold, and amongst the membership, there's an even smaller number of people with oil temperature issues. I don't think it's a big enough issue amongst owners to warrant a recall.

On the other hand, I could see how throwing an oil cooler on the current year's car so that the magazine writers start publishing glowing reviews about the 370Z would be a worthwhile investment in salvaging low sales figures or even boosting interest in the car.

I agree on most points. Although, I find it hard to believe that they didn't put an oil cooler on this car. I had a 1987 Toyota FX16 GTS that came with a cooler.
I was sitting in bumper-to-bumper traffic in 70 degree weather last week and my oil hit 240. That's pretty ridiculous IMHO.

LunaZ · 10-11-2011, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TreeSemdyZee

I had a 1987 Toyota FX16 GTS that came with a cooler.

I thought I was the only person who ever owned one of those, much less heard of one!

Vapiano · 10-11-2011, 09:34 PM

Subscribed.

TreeSemdyZee · 10-11-2011, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LunaZ

I thought I was the only person who ever owned one of those, much less heard of one!

Dude! I freakin' loved mine. The engine was like a sewing machine. I had 152,000 miles on mine when I crushed a telephone pole with it. It still ran like a top even after that. Of course the radiator wouldn't hold any water, but you can't have everything.

Edit: oh yeah. Even with no water in the radiator, it never overheated.

maro · 10-11-2011, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nmjaxx9

It depends on why you want to trade it in, do you need the oil cooler?

i just want a new z again

i ve been driving my car pretty rough so buy new z again and this time i actually wanna take good care of it haha

nmjaxx9 · 10-11-2011, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maro

i just want a new z again

i ve been driving my car pretty rough so buy new z again and this time i actually wanna take good care of it haha

Go for it then! Nothing like staying up to date with your cars, speaking of which I might trade mine in too

Kingbaby · 10-11-2011, 10:55 PM

newer Z is always best!

<------jealous

nmjaxx9 · 10-11-2011, 11:05 PM

^^ Yes it is, to me anyways but I joke, I don't think ill trade in my baby anytime soon, plus I don't seem to have any issues with my oil temps, and I don't track my car, so im happy with my 2011

Jordo! · 10-12-2011, 02:35 PM

FWIW, their reply to my email on the matter is below. I thought no harm in asking for a recall or tsb -- after all they can just say "no".

Anywho...

October 12, 2011

File # 7283034

Thank you for taking the time to personally contact us.

After reviewing your comments, we will need to do some further research to be able to adequately address your issue.

Please allow us an additional five to seven days to meet with the appropriate experts at Nissan and we will have a detailed response back to you within that time frame.

If we can be of additional assistance in the meantime, please contact us at 1-800-647-7261.

At Nissan, we are committed to a high level of customer service.

Sincerely,

Nissan North America

Karina Eraldo
Consumer Affairs Representative
Nissan Consumer Affairs

From: nnaconsumeraffairs@nissan-usa.com
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 05:32 AM
To: NNA Consumer Affairs
Subject: Nissan Products

comments : I understand that the 2012 370Z models will be equipped with oil coolers standard. That's great for new customers, as this motor has a persistent problem with running at higher than ideal oil temps, even in normal driving conditions. Nissan needs to make the oil cooler available to owners who bought their car 2009-2011 (at minimum to those who are still under their drivetrain warranty). The oil cooler should be offered either as part of a recall or TSB, with the parts and labor either waived or greatly discounted, and protected under the customer�s remaining drivetrain warranty. You will be hearing similar suggestions from thousands of owners -- take this seriously and do what is right for your loyal customers.

sucasa · 10-12-2011, 03:47 PM

Update.. 10/12

Spoke to Nissan Corporate for over 40 minutes on the phone regarding the 2012 370Z and the fact it has a factory installed oil cooler. Nissan Corp. will be speaking to technical folks in USA and JP regarding possible solutions for 2009 - 2011 owners who are interested in getting a OEM NissanMotorSport or NISMO oil cooler installed by the dealer and getting it warrantied. Granted they feel the engine has fault protection mechanisms in place to not cause engine problems, however, the fact the 2012 has it as a 'default OEM cooler' part tells me Nissan realized it should have been there in the first place. I conveyed this to the Nissan rep.

Currently owners can get an oil cooler installed but no warranty will be provided warranty. Based on my conversation, the Nissan rep was helpful and understood the concern current owners can have, and will be getting back to me next week.

Will keep you posted.

Pharmacist · 10-12-2011, 04:13 PM

what about those of us who already put an aftermarket cooler at our expense? do we get a refund?

toxik · 10-12-2011, 04:17 PM

^ ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

anthonyy · 10-12-2011, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo!

FWIW, their reply to my email on the matter is below. I thought no harm in asking for a recall or tsb -- after all they can just say "no".

Anywho...

October 12, 2011

File # 7283034

Thank you for taking the time to personally contact us.

After reviewing your comments, we will need to do some further research to be able to adequately address your issue.

Please allow us an additional five to seven days to meet with the appropriate experts at Nissan and we will have a detailed response back to you within that time frame.

If we can be of additional assistance in the meantime, please contact us at 1-800-647-7261.

At Nissan, we are committed to a high level of customer service.

Sincerely,

Nissan North America

Karina Eraldo
Consumer Affairs Representative
Nissan Consumer Affairs

I got this exact email.

Red__Zed · 10-12-2011, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pharmacist

what about those of us who already put an aftermarket cooler at our expense? do we get a refund?

Just got off the phone with Nissan North America, got some interesting info...kinda making me regret trading my car in.

-Base model Z's will ship with an oil-to-water cooler, as previously speculated (can't remember who said that?)

-sport package models will be available with 19 row coolers standard, and a 34 row updgrade available. No pricing is confirmed yet, but they mentioned the upgrade should be under $500. Sport package cost will most likely be raised as well, though it is not known for sure yet that it will be

-Increased sound deadening material. They won't advertise it substantially, but they attempted to quiet down the road noise just a little bit

-adjusted intake resonator-- apparently designed to help quiet the NVH concerns

-Nismo finned diff cover will be standard--apparently the bean-counters finally understood the risks of an overheating diff, and are at least making the appearance of an effort to fix things

-Brake ducting will be available through the fangs as an add-on kit. It was apparently supposed to offered from the beginning, but a clean-looking kit was never fully finished. The genteman I spoke with was 99% sure it would be backwards-compatible.

-retrofit oil-to-water coolers will be available with full warranty protection. The oil-to-air coolers WILL NOT be available under warranty

-most importantly, your mother has grown frightful after your recent engagement at the schoolyard, and the cab is on it's way to pick you up for the trip to Bel Air.

10-11-2011, 09:00 PM	#106 (permalink)
NYBladeZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New York Posts: 2,158 Drives: Lotus Exige S Rep Power: 20	Fast Intentions Long Tube Headers + Full Meisterschaft exhaust = solution to cabin noise __________________ 2009 Carbon Fiber/Red 370z aka Trish: Sports Package, Meisterschaft full catback, Fast Intentions Longtube Headers, Injen Long Tube Intakes, UpRev Tune: Sold 2008 Lotus Exige S Club Racer aka Bella, always leaves me smiling

10-11-2011, 09:34 PM	#109 (permalink)
Vapiano Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: East Coast Posts: 471 Drives: Under PSI Rep Power: 13	Subscribed. __________________ GT-R Premium Edition TiMidpipeFront/Rear CameraLI QuadSTiR+Rear Emblem De-badgeFull Clear BraCarbon Fiber Rear Spoiler & Naca Ducts 370Z NISMO Z34 11 0032 Pearl White -SOLD!!*

10-12-2011, 02:35 PM	#115 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 418	FWIW, their reply to my email on the matter is below. I thought no harm in asking for a recall or tsb -- after all they can just say "no". Anywho... October 12, 2011 File # 7283034 Thank you for taking the time to personally contact us. After reviewing your comments, we will need to do some further research to be able to adequately address your issue. Please allow us an additional five to seven days to meet with the appropriate experts at Nissan and we will have a detailed response back to you within that time frame. If we can be of additional assistance in the meantime, please contact us at 1-800-647-7261. At Nissan, we are committed to a high level of customer service. Sincerely, Nissan North America Karina Eraldo Consumer Affairs Representative Nissan Consumer Affairs From: nnaconsumeraffairs@nissan-usa.com Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 05:32 AM To: NNA Consumer Affairs Subject: Nissan Products comments : I understand that the 2012 370Z models will be equipped with oil coolers standard. That's great for new customers, as this motor has a persistent problem with running at higher than ideal oil temps, even in normal driving conditions. Nissan needs to make the oil cooler available to owners who bought their car 2009-2011 (at minimum to those who are still under their drivetrain warranty). The oil cooler should be offered either as part of a recall or TSB, with the parts and labor either waived or greatly discounted, and protected under the customer�s remaining drivetrain warranty. You will be hearing similar suggestions from thousands of owners -- take this seriously and do what is right for your loyal customers. __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it.

10-12-2011, 03:47 PM	#116 (permalink)
sucasa Base Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: DC Posts: 156 Drives: 2010 370Z Rep Power: 14	Update.. 10/12 Spoke to Nissan Corporate for over 40 minutes on the phone regarding the 2012 370Z and the fact it has a factory installed oil cooler. Nissan Corp. will be speaking to technical folks in USA and JP regarding possible solutions for 2009 - 2011 owners who are interested in getting a OEM NissanMotorSport or NISMO oil cooler installed by the dealer and getting it warrantied. Granted they feel the engine has fault protection mechanisms in place to not cause engine problems, however, the fact the 2012 has it as a 'default OEM cooler' part tells me Nissan realized it should have been there in the first place. I conveyed this to the Nissan rep. Currently owners can get an oil cooler installed but no warranty will be provided warranty. Based on my conversation, the Nissan rep was helpful and understood the concern current owners can have, and will be getting back to me next week. Will keep you posted. __________________ 2010 Sport Touring \| NAV \| 7A \| 3M VentureShield [sold]

10-12-2011, 04:13 PM	#117 (permalink)
Pharmacist A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 1,249 Drives: 09 370z Sport 6MT Rep Power: 18	what about those of us who already put an aftermarket cooler at our expense? do we get a refund? __________________ 2009 370z Sport Touring/Nismo shift Knob/Z1 motorsports 34 row oil cooler

10-11-2011, 11:05 PM	#114 (permalink)
nmjaxx9 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Middletown, Ct Posts: 5,853 Drives: 2011 Nissan 370z Rep Power: 25	^^ Yes it is, to me anyways but I joke, I don't think ill trade in my baby anytime soon, plus I don't seem to have any issues with my oil temps, and I don't track my car, so im happy with my 2011

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