Can someone explain Nissan's mentality to me.

BrianMSmith · 05-17-2011, 10:44 PM

The 350Z was produced during the time when everyone thought they were rich due to the housing bubble, and bought more than they could afford. The 350Z was everywhere in my neighborhood, sort of like mosquitos; most of of them (and other $30k plus cars) were bought with second mortgages (helocs) and other dodgy home financing (like $20k cash back on a 40 year zero percent for 3 years arm). I rarely see new cars on the road these days, and most of the new ones are Ford F series trucks, which have always been the best selling vehicles world wide. With the economy back to normal (ish), at least closer to normal than during the bubble, you will not see many new cars on the road that are priced over $25k (like we used to see), which is about the "affordable" car price for the average individual income (a single person with one income), according to historically typical economic trends. And the thing about history, is that it always repeats itself when it comes to physics, and that includes economics, which is a type of social physics.

shesha · 05-17-2011, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianMSmith

The 350Z was produced during the time when everyone thought they were rich due to the housing bubble, and bought more than they could afford. The 350Z was everywhere in my neighborhood, sort of like mosquitos; most of of them (and other $30k plus cars) were bought with second mortgages (helocs) and other dodgy home financing (like $20k cash back on a 40 year zero percent for 3 years arm). I rarely see new cars on the road these days, and most of the new ones are Ford F series trucks, which have always been the best selling vehicles world wide. With the economy back to normal (ish), at least closer to normal than during the bubble, you will not see many new cars on the road that are priced over $25k (like we used to see), which is about the "affordable" car price for the average individual income (a single person with one income), according to historically typical economic trends. And the thing about history, is that it always repeats itself when it comes to physics, and that includes economics, which is a type of social physics.

This makes a lot of sense. Actually you all do. I love my car so much by the way. It renewed my love for driving even if it's 10 Mph on the god damn 405 in so cal.

I just wanted to start a diologue with you guys about my observations.

11Thumper · 05-18-2011, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianMSmith

The 350Z was produced during the time when everyone thought they were rich due to the housing bubble, and bought more than they could afford. The 350Z was everywhere in my neighborhood, sort of like mosquitos; most of of them (and other $30k plus cars) were bought with second mortgages (helocs) and other dodgy home financing (like $20k cash back on a 40 year zero percent for 3 years arm). I rarely see new cars on the road these days, and most of the new ones are Ford F series trucks, which have always been the best selling vehicles world wide. With the economy back to normal (ish), at least closer to normal than during the bubble, you will not see many new cars on the road that are priced over $25k (like we used to see), which is about the "affordable" car price for the average individual income (a single person with one income), according to historically typical economic trends. And the thing about history, is that it always repeats itself when it comes to physics, and that includes economics, which is a type of social physics.

Pretty right on the money with most parts. I remember when I got my S2000 back in 2005 (new) it was no big deal and everyone in my community was getting some nice new car (or cars). I bought a new house in a new housing development with a standard 30-year mortgage and down payment that I spent a while saving for. I moved away from the house this year and it's a rental now, but it's only worth 60% of what I owe on it. Of the 50 homes in my community over 15 have gone through foreclosure, and 6 are currently going through the process. Great judgement with those 5-year ARMs!

It's rediculous that we let people be this stupid and back out of it. Every month I lose $500 on my rental home because the market is so crappy. In a steady economy I should be able to cover my mortgage with rental income (with a proper loan like I have).

I've had a few people I know tell me I'm being foolish and wasting my $ buying a new sports car in this economy. I've been told (amazing to hear btw) that it's probably something I can't really afford if I give it proper thought. It's ironic how people now act as though they know everything considering two of the three people who have said this to me foreclosed on their homes already. Of course, they drive nice cars that were purchased a few years back on HELOCs. Now they live in apartments!

ImportConvert · 05-17-2011, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by shesha

The 350z seemed like a hot selling car. I owned a g35 at the time. It seemed like everyone and their mother owned a 350. In 2009 I leased a 370. 2 years later I see other 370s every once in a while.

Is it because Nissan doesn't budge on 370 negotiations? Why hasn't the 370 sold as well. I don't mind as it makes me feel like I own a more rare car, but what is Nissan thinking. As far as sales numbers go? Has the 370 been a failure? Why doesnt the dealership offer better deals?

I just don't get it.

In 15 months my lease is up, what should I get?

Take a look at the unemployment rate. Gas prices. National debt.

It's not Nissan's fault. The 370Z is a great car.

That said, if you want American, mustang gt or corvette. If you want import, 370Z. Just my .02 since you asked.

TreeSemdyZee · 05-17-2011, 11:06 PM

Comparitive sales numbers to support your claim?
Pretty broad statement.

jaedub · 05-18-2011, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by shesha

The 350z seemed like a hot selling car. I owned a g35 at the time. It seemed like everyone and their mother owned a 350. In 2009 I leased a 370. 2 years later I see other 370s every once in a while.

Is it because Nissan doesn't budge on 370 negotiations? Why hasn't the 370 sold as well. I don't mind as it makes me feel like I own a more rare car, but what is Nissan thinking. As far as sales numbers go? Has the 370 been a failure? Why doesnt the dealership offer better deals?

I just don't get it.

In 15 months my lease is up, what should I get?

U.S. is in a economic shltstorm......no other reason.

KillerBee370 · 05-18-2011, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jaedub

U.S. is in a economic shltstorm......no other reason.

This.

It's a 2 seater sports car.

Mt Tam I am · 05-18-2011, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jaedub

U.S. is in a economic shltstorm......

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Originally Posted by KillerBee370

This.

It's a 2 seater sports car.

Spending is down. Impractical.

They just don't know what they are missing.

Waiz · 05-18-2011, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jaedub

U.S. is in a economic shltstorm......no other reason.

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Originally Posted by KillerBee370

This.

It's a 2 seater sports car.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-18-2011, 12:34 AM

1. Economics- pricing, insurance and most states negotiations are not good with exceptions to the east coast (due to higher cost of living per capita). Gas pricing vs. Mpg's

2. Niché import cars- always sell low volume compared to let's say a corvette.

3. Low practicality... 2 seats. A car for singles and couples with no kids.

4. Genesis coupe is very practical and gives people who want a sports car but doesn't want a muscle car an affordable option. When the 350z was out. The only other affordable option was the mustang.

Nissan built an awesome car in the Z, if you can understand what kind of car this is? Many will try to compare this car to cars that couldn't begin to match this level of performance. Most people discount extreme high performance driveability for quarter mile times.
But what can you expect from a country who's idea of a functional great performing vehicle is a Chevy Tahoe, Cadillac Escalade and Ford expedition. (I'm a proud american but a spade is a spade)
To appreciate this car for what it is, you must be able to understand all the philosophy of the engineers and designers. Understand the history and what this car means, not only as a mode of transportation or a cool ride. But as a work of art. The Z is an incredible machine.

All sports cars are incredible machines. Whether you choose a Z, mustang, corvette or whatever??? My advice, buy from your heart and soul. A sports car should be an extension of your soul. It should remind you of what excites you about life. It should be a representation of what makes you a spiritually free man or woman.
You can buy a sports car to be the kool guy on the block. And that's kool I guess??? I won't knock that... at least right now. Lol But if you do? You will be missing out on so much a sports car has to offer.

hdskull · 05-18-2011, 01:15 AM

There's no Tokyo drift with a 370z..

m4a1mustang · 05-18-2011, 03:29 AM

Like everyone else has said, it's the economy. Even look at Mustang sales figures... they are way down compared to years past. It's very hard to justify the purchase of an impractical car that drinks premium gasoline when the national unemployment rate is as high as it is.

When the 370Z was approved by NISSAN it was done so under the assumption that they would sell 30,000 units in the first year, similar to 350Z sales. In 2009 they only sold 10,000, and it's looking like it will take them three full model years to reach that 30,000 figure. It's tough to make a $30k 2-seat sports car work in this economy.

If this were 2005 or 2006 they'd probably be selling three times as many.

shesha · 05-18-2011, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Like everyone else has said, it's the economy. Even look at Mustang sales figures... they are way down compared to years past. It's very hard to justify the purchase of an impractical car that drinks premium gasoline when the national unemployment rate is as high as it is.

When the 370Z was approved by NISSAN it was done so under the assumption that they would sell 30,000 units in the first year, similar to 350Z sales. In 2009 they only sold 10,000, and it's looking like it will take them three full model years to reach that 30,000 figure. It's tough to make a $30k 2-seat sports car work in this economy.

If this were 2005 or 2006 they'd probably be selling three times as many.

Right, so why do the sales dept. at Nissan still have this "ehhhh take it or leave it. We don't budge on this car" Attitude?

GZ3 · 05-18-2011, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by shesha

Right, so why do the sales dept. at Nissan still have this "ehhhh take it or leave it. We don't budge on this car" Attitude?

attitude is strictly a subjective perception lol

also cause its "exlcusivveeee"

kielbasa16 · 05-18-2011, 03:07 PM

You have to shop around at different dealerships to find the ones that are willing to negotiate a fair price. That and I feel like dealerships have been playing the Japanese disaster card. In 2010 I found an incredible deal on a left over 2009, but it was 3 hours away.

05-18-2011, 12:34 AM	#10 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	1. Economics- pricing, insurance and most states negotiations are not good with exceptions to the east coast (due to higher cost of living per capita). Gas pricing vs. Mpg's 2. Niché import cars- always sell low volume compared to let's say a corvette. 3. Low practicality... 2 seats. A car for singles and couples with no kids. 4. Genesis coupe is very practical and gives people who want a sports car but doesn't want a muscle car an affordable option. When the 350z was out. The only other affordable option was the mustang. Nissan built an awesome car in the Z, if you can understand what kind of car this is? Many will try to compare this car to cars that couldn't begin to match this level of performance. Most people discount extreme high performance driveability for quarter mile times. But what can you expect from a country who's idea of a functional great performing vehicle is a Chevy Tahoe, Cadillac Escalade and Ford expedition. (I'm a proud american but a spade is a spade) To appreciate this car for what it is, you must be able to understand all the philosophy of the engineers and designers. Understand the history and what this car means, not only as a mode of transportation or a cool ride. But as a work of art. The Z is an incredible machine. All sports cars are incredible machines. Whether you choose a Z, mustang, corvette or whatever??? My advice, buy from your heart and soul. A sports car should be an extension of your soul. It should remind you of what excites you about life. It should be a representation of what makes you a spiritually free man or woman. You can buy a sports car to be the kool guy on the block. And that's kool I guess??? I won't knock that... at least right now. Lol But if you do? You will be missing out on so much a sports car has to offer. Last edited by UNKNOWN_370; 05-18-2011 at 12:39 AM.

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	Like everyone else has said, it's the economy. Even look at Mustang sales figures... they are way down compared to years past. It's very hard to justify the purchase of an impractical car that drinks premium gasoline when the national unemployment rate is as high as it is. When the 370Z was approved by NISSAN it was done so under the assumption that they would sell 30,000 units in the first year, similar to 350Z sales. In 2009 they only sold 10,000, and it's looking like it will take them three full model years to reach that 30,000 figure. It's tough to make a $30k 2-seat sports car work in this economy. If this were 2005 or 2006 they'd probably be selling three times as many. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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kielbasa16 Track Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NY Posts: 770 Drives: 09 Blk Z Spt Rep Power: 18	You have to shop around at different dealerships to find the ones that are willing to negotiate a fair price. That and I feel like dealerships have been playing the Japanese disaster card. In 2010 I found an incredible deal on a left over 2009, but it was 3 hours away. __________________ Mag Black Kielbasa

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05-17-2011, 10:44 PM	#1 (permalink)
BrianMSmith Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: secret Posts: 267 Drives: 370Z, Ducati 748S Rep Power: 16	The 350Z was produced during the time when everyone thought they were rich due to the housing bubble, and bought more than they could afford. The 350Z was everywhere in my neighborhood, sort of like mosquitos; most of of them (and other $30k plus cars) were bought with second mortgages (helocs) and other dodgy home financing (like $20k cash back on a 40 year zero percent for 3 years arm). I rarely see new cars on the road these days, and most of the new ones are Ford F series trucks, which have always been the best selling vehicles world wide. With the economy back to normal (ish), at least closer to normal than during the bubble, you will not see many new cars on the road that are priced over $25k (like we used to see), which is about the "affordable" car price for the average individual income (a single person with one income), according to historically typical economic trends. And the thing about history, is that it always repeats itself when it comes to physics, and that includes economics, which is a type of social physics.

05-17-2011, 11:06 PM	#5 (permalink)
TreeSemdyZee Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Kentuck-IANA Age: 61 Posts: 4,887 Drives: '09 370 & ‘14 Juke Rep Power: 27409	Comparitive sales numbers to support your claim? Pretty broad statement.