how many people think the Z34 is the last Z for a long while?

PapoZalsa · 04-12-2011, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tjlazer

It was 1996 when the 300ZX was last sold, and it was sold in Japan until 1999/2000. Not sure about other countries though.

The point is that here in the US we went without a new Gen Z for 7 to 8 years.

Lemers · 04-12-2011, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by PapoZalsa

The point is that here in the US we went without a new Gen Z for 7 to 8 years.

The used market was saturated with NA 280zx's

TheGreatOne · 04-11-2011, 09:19 AM

I think they may take a break and come back.

I really think they did an amazing job on the 370, the fact that the Z has come full circle and taken lots of styling queues form the 240Z...

I wouldn't mind having a rare car...

elmz · 04-11-2011, 09:39 AM

I think there will definitely be another Z, but its too early for a redesign. In the past the Z's were refreshed after 5/6+ years of release. I think a revised engine is more likely, as seen in the 350. A lot of cars like the Z4. Cayman, and 5.0 Mustang went the direct injection route. Which are all cars that the Z is often compared to. I think this is the most obvious route Nissan will take if they want to stay competitive.

kenchan · 04-11-2011, 09:43 AM

i think there will be another Z but will be a hybrid and AWD, potentially no more MT option.

this is one of the reasons why i bought my 370Z thinking this might be the last combustible engine-only with MT.

batman_4 · 04-11-2011, 12:33 PM

new Z will probably come out.....however i think it might be later than expected depending on how Japan gets back on their feet after the horrible quake.

Mt Tam I am · 04-11-2011, 02:11 PM

2014 at the earliest.

dAvenue · 04-11-2011, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am

2014 at the earliest.

I agree. The roll out for the next generation tends to happen every 5 years.

Montez · 04-11-2011, 03:30 PM

I dont think their will be one, it going to be 1997 all over again around 2014. The Z is not a "halo' car, it is/ was suppose to be a mass produced affordable sports car with 30K units sold anually expected unlike the GTR. Well we are far off from the 25-30k anticipated.....its all about PROFITS. If its not bringing in any profits as in in 1996 its going to be dropped, sad but true.

didymus · 04-11-2011, 03:44 PM

The question is how many cars they need to sell to make a profit

shadoquad · 04-11-2011, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by didymus

The question is how many cars they need to sell to make a profit

How many Altimas, Jukes, Maximas, Sentras, Versas... If the Z and GTR get people in those markets to drive onto a dealer's lot,

Montez · 04-11-2011, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

How many Altimas, Jukes, Maximas, Sentras, Versas... If the Z and GTR get people in those markets to drive onto a dealer's lot,

Lots of Max guys drive Z's or switch out if need be for various reasons (30-40k cas etc), the Max is small market for Nissan as well.............The Altima is Nissans bread and butter here, without it I dont that they would be in business here. It sells close to 300k units a yr!

UNKNOWN_370 · 04-11-2011, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by didymus

The question is how many cars they need to sell to make a profit

As Montez said the target was 25-30k units. Then every 4 weeks as the gas crisis had gotten worse they began scaling numbers back from 30 to 20 then 15k units. At 15k I got a strong impression that they are pretty much breaking even at this price point..

Year one they sold around 500 units more than they hoped.
Year two they sold 4500 less than they wanted which was a settlement target to begin with.
And year 3 isn't over but sales have further reduced.

Nissan had hoped by this time the economy would have stabilized and the Z would hopefully be selling at minimum. 20k units. Instead we temporarily stabilized for 2 summers... now we are in the same boat and it may get worse. Gas may rise to new record levels. Food prices are going up again. Pretty soon energy prices will probably skyrocket all over again.
That said, I really don't see more than 8-10k units being sold this year. Nissan is the only company who hasn't even made the smallest peep about a refresh. All I ever hear about is the Leaf, Juke and the NissaMitsu merger that will bring more hybrids and eco cars.
We haven't even seen a teaser drawing that's up to date and OFFICIAL of a refreshed body or something???. The hybrid Z is as mysterious as a black hole and no mention has been made of it in over a year. If nissans silence is just to surprise us then I gotta give them there props for extreme confidence because in a market like this, teasers and marketing moves cars.
Nissan is the only company right now that has no buzz on its affordable sports car. I know nissan never devulges its final product till the very end but, they normally like to create buzz. Nissan corp has done nothing to incite excitement in the Z product. All I heard is the 370 might appear in the movie "FAST 5". That may or may not help? Who knows???
I think we are all very fortunate to own our 370's to be honest. The future of our fairlady looks bleek.

fullmonty · 04-11-2011, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

As Montez said the target was 25-30k units. Then every 4 weeks as the gas crisis had gotten worse they began scaling numbers back from 30 to 20 then 15k units. At 15k I got a strong impression that they are pretty much breaking even at this price point..

Year one they sold around 500 units more than they hoped.
Year two they sold 4500 less than they wanted which was a settlement target to begin with.
And year 3 isn't over but sales have further reduced.

Nissan had hoped by this time the economy would have stabilized and the Z would hopefully be selling at minimum. 20k units. Instead we temporarily stabilized for 2 summers... now we are in the same boat and it may get worse. Gas may rise to new record levels. Food prices are going up again. Pretty soon energy prices will probably skyrocket all over again.
That said, I really don't see more than 8-10k units being sold this year. Nissan is the only company who hasn't even made the smallest peep about a refresh. All I ever hear about is the Leaf, Juke and the NissaMitsu merger that will bring more hybrids and eco cars.
We haven't even seen a teaser drawing that's up to date and OFFICIAL of a refreshed body or something???. The hybrid Z is as mysterious as a black hole and no mention has been made of it in over a year. If nissans silence is just to surprise us then I gotta give them there props for extreme confidence because in a market like this, teasers and marketing moves cars.
Nissan is the only company right now that has no buzz on its affordable sports car. I know nissan never devulges its final product till the very end but, they normally like to create buzz. Nissan corp has done nothing to incite excitement in the Z product. All I heard is the 370 might appear in the movie "FAST 5". That may or may not help? Who knows???
I think we are all very fortunate to own our 370's to be honest. The future of our fairlady looks bleek.

I'm really going to have to agree with you on all points. The GTR is thier flagship, not the $35k Z, so if it's not selling anywhere near what they want it to be productions going to be stopped on it. At some pont Nissan will lose money on the car, if sales keep going down. You still have to material, and pay your manpower ect.

sonic370 · 04-11-2011, 07:52 PM

i don't think it will be 1997 all over again. if i recall the car towards the end was
way over priced for the market then...

but the big shots at nissan have a tough call to make..........
just when they get it right do they just walk away.........
i can't say for sure but i'm guessing the 2 seater is hurting for everyone..
how many vettes is gm selling. i know not the same market...
but thats my point imho the 370 owns it's market 32-40k sports car...

i would hate to see it go.. but if there is another generation it's got to keep
up with the Jones. TT or V8.

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