Friend trying to talk me into Z trade for Challenger

FL 4Motion · 01-07-2011, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Inspector71

I have always liked muscle cars and have 3 project ones I hope to get to (68Barracuda, 66 Valiant convertible, okay not a muscle car, and 68 Dodge Charger). I have Ia friend that says I need to trade my 09 Z for the new Challenger. It is tempting to some degree because of the back seat problem (I have kids). But the Challenger is old technology to some degree (handling) and think I would miss the handling and cornering ability of the sportscar over the sedan. In addition, I wonder if the Challengers hold their value considering the high inititial cost. For those who will ask, "Well, do you like your Z?" The answer is yes. I may have answered my own question about what I should do. The back seat for the kids is the reason I have thought it over. Is this a bad trade?

Why are you asking us what you should do? Be a man and do what you want, either keep your Z or get the challenger. I really don't get these kinds of threads.

That said, I say keep the Z.

sonic370 · 01-07-2011, 07:45 PM

sorry but no way i buy or trade for a dodge of any kind.

fullmonty · 01-07-2011, 08:45 PM

I've always loved the Challengers and still consider trading the Z in on one. But I picked the Z over the Challenger because it felt to big, to bulky and slow. (I was looking at an R/T) They are beautiful looking cars and the interior isn't totally awful but you can feel its size. Going from a Z to a Challenger would feel like you're getting into a 18 Wheeler. Its a great car for cruising down main street, but its not a good car when trying go around a turn. Its a tough call though man

Lemers · 01-07-2011, 08:48 PM

Need a family car? Get the challenger. Don't need a family keep the Z

gleonard · 01-07-2011, 09:32 PM

I just got done driving a challenger (10 days) from Enterprise rental. It was a base model no hemi. My opinion, if you like driving a boat that people think is a Camaro that doesn't really go fast then do it. It does drive nice, but it certainly doesn't compare with the feeling of driving my Z. The higher powered versions might be faster, but they're probably just as bulky and still feel like your driving an overstuffed couch.

It suffers from the same, although lesser, problem that the Mustang has. There are too many of them on the road, and they all look the same no matter what's under the hood.

TypeOne · 01-07-2011, 10:27 PM

Holy crap, I didn't even read your post.... just the thread title.

I would never... ever... ever... ever... ever ever everrrrr trade my Z in on a Challenger.

If there is any car I hate... it is that. They are ugly, heavy, expensive, slow and made from left over Chrysler parts. I can't believe anyone would literally want to own one of those tanks.

Now, scrolling down to click the quick reply button I noticed a picture of a 5.0 badge. That is the only car I would trade my Z in on... and I'll never do that.

Sorry for the off topic / hate rant.

Good evening fellas!

Pushing_Tin · 01-07-2011, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

if you're looking to stay in a performance car but want the back seat.

Another +1, but the 2011 Chally is looking a lot better, especially the interior.

ImportConvert · 01-07-2011, 11:17 PM

If you like your Z, I would think you would hate the challenger. It weighs a LOT.

No, I doubt it runs a 12.4. Probably a mid/high 12 with a 110-112 trap. The 425bhp versions didn't run but HIGH 12's and more normally low 13's@108 or so.

Kenny · 01-08-2011, 02:15 AM

you should totally trade it.

don't be so selfish, think of the kids.

chuckd05 · 01-08-2011, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 280z/300zx

I'm surprised no one has mentioned it but the new Challenger for 2011 is a beast. It has 470hp and 470 torque (or something very close to that) and Dodge finally caught up with everyone else and actually tuned the suspension so the car can actually take a corner. Supposedly runs the 1/4 in 12.4 (traction limited, as it's trap speed indicates faster). Sure it won't corner like the Z as it's still a fat *** but according to first tests it does much better than the previous Challenger.

I'm not saying you should trade the Z but I am saying that they redid the Challenger and it's a lot more impressive that last years model. If looking for a muscle car it should definitely not be dismissed.

wow I didnt know that... that is very impressive ... 12.4 bone stock huh

Vegitto-kun · 01-08-2011, 03:04 AM

pfff. IF you are going to trade your Z in for an american muscle car get the 5.0 that is the only american car I would trade it in for.

ImportConvert · 01-08-2011, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by chuckd05

wow I didnt know that... that is very impressive ... 12.4 bone stock huh

I watched the vid of the 12.4 run, it was a 110mph pass. Either dodge has worked some suspension magic, or that 12.4 is not going to be replicated very often at all. It reminds me of all the press saying the new Camaro SS runs in the 12's@111mph and then I go out in my stock 150K mile Trans Am and find out they are no faster than I am.

m4a1mustang · 01-08-2011, 06:42 AM

What's wrong with a 12.4 at 110? The new challenger is a beast from a dig. You know, kind of like how my 2003 Mustang GT would rape know-it-alls in their LS1s to 60 mph.

Gobble!

ImportConvert · 01-08-2011, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

What's wrong with a 12.4 at 110? The new challenger is a beast from a dig. You know, kind of like how my 2003 Mustang GT would rape know-it-alls in their LS1s to 60 mph.

Gobble!

I never lost to a GT that wasn't FI (closest I came was being dead even with an '03 GT with LT's, gears, cams, pullies, CAI and tune. We were dead even. If I hit it 1' before he did, I won, and vice versa), then, I only raced one Cobra from a dig as far as mustangs from a dig go, and they were equal with me until we hit second and they spun and I didn't even sqeak a tire. Ford is completely traction-limited and always has been. I hope the BOSS changes all that.

Nothing at ALL is wrong with his 12.4@110, I personally think that is sick, I am just leery of the average joe doing it. I know it's an auto, it just seems like he would have to have a 1.7-1.8 60' to pull down numbers like that, and I have not see many factory automatic RWD cars in that price-range lay down a 1.7-1.8 bone stock. Who knows? Maybe the track was prepped awesome. I heard NO sqeak on the shifts.

*Back when the '05 GT came out, my dealership was one of the first in town to get one. Of course, we did things with it that we probably shouldn't have (nothing crazy like powerslides or anything, just a bit of a romp). When we hit 2nd gear, it left about 5' of rubber. I was shocked that it was so traction limited. Ford put 235's Pirelli's that were M&S rated. A completely unforgivable mistake in my opinion.

Gobble gobble?

HKYStormFront · 01-08-2011, 07:31 AM

seriously... we're talking about your ws6 again, seriously?

OP, +1 for the new mustang instead. and someone asked about the 5spd manual in the challenger, i believe that is only on the v6 cars, the v8's get 6 spds iirc, at least i know the SRT's do (which is the only one to have right?... right?)

01-07-2011, 08:45 PM	#18 (permalink)
fullmonty A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Dirty Jersey Posts: 7,762 Drives: 370 Touring/Sport Rep Power: 33	I've always loved the Challengers and still consider trading the Z in on one. But I picked the Z over the Challenger because it felt to big, to bulky and slow. (I was looking at an R/T) They are beautiful looking cars and the interior isn't totally awful but you can feel its size. Going from a Z to a Challenger would feel like you're getting into a 18 Wheeler. Its a great car for cruising down main street, but its not a good car when trying go around a turn. Its a tough call though man __________________

01-07-2011, 08:48 PM	#19 (permalink)
Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 52	Need a family car? Get the challenger. Don't need a family keep the Z __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

01-07-2011, 09:32 PM	#20 (permalink)
gleonard Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 196 Drives: 370z Touring/Spt 6sp Rep Power: 15	I just got done driving a challenger (10 days) from Enterprise rental. It was a base model no hemi. My opinion, if you like driving a boat that people think is a Camaro that doesn't really go fast then do it. It does drive nice, but it certainly doesn't compare with the feeling of driving my Z. The higher powered versions might be faster, but they're probably just as bulky and still feel like your driving an overstuffed couch. It suffers from the same, although lesser, problem that the Mustang has. There are too many of them on the road, and they all look the same no matter what's under the hood. __________________

01-08-2011, 02:15 AM	#24 (permalink)
Kenny Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 330 Drives: 2011 Nissan 370Z Rep Power: 14	you should totally trade it. don't be so selfish, think of the kids. __________________

01-08-2011, 06:42 AM	#28 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	What's wrong with a 12.4 at 110? The new challenger is a beast from a dig. You know, kind of like how my 2003 Mustang GT would rape know-it-alls in their LS1s to 60 mph. Gobble! __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

01-07-2011, 07:45 PM	#17 (permalink)
sonic370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: Orange Texas Posts: 1,574 Drives: 09 370Z Sports PGK Rep Power: 18	sorry but no way i buy or trade for a dodge of any kind.

01-07-2011, 10:27 PM	#21 (permalink)
TypeOne A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 2,682 Drives: BSM 370 Rep Power: 1850	Holy crap, I didn't even read your post.... just the thread title. I would never... ever... ever... ever... ever ever everrrrr trade my Z in on a Challenger. If there is any car I hate... it is that. They are ugly, heavy, expensive, slow and made from left over Chrysler parts. I can't believe anyone would literally want to own one of those tanks. Now, scrolling down to click the quick reply button I noticed a picture of a 5.0 badge. That is the only car I would trade my Z in on... and I'll never do that. Sorry for the off topic / hate rant. Good evening fellas!

01-07-2011, 11:17 PM	#23 (permalink)
ImportConvert A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SWMO Posts: 4,454 Drives: 2019 CX5 GT Reserve Rep Power: 7626	If you like your Z, I would think you would hate the challenger. It weighs a LOT. No, I doubt it runs a 12.4. Probably a mid/high 12 with a 110-112 trap. The 425bhp versions didn't run but HIGH 12's and more normally low 13's@108 or so.

01-08-2011, 03:04 AM	#26 (permalink)
Vegitto-kun A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: USA Posts: 2,011 Drives: 09 370Z Rep Power: 262	pfff. IF you are going to trade your Z in for an american muscle car get the 5.0 that is the only american car I would trade it in for.

01-08-2011, 07:31 AM	#30 (permalink)
HKYStormFront A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Greer, SC Posts: 14,954 Drives: 06 Frontier SE 6spd Rep Power: 52	seriously... we're talking about your ws6 again, seriously? OP, +1 for the new mustang instead. and someone asked about the 5spd manual in the challenger, i believe that is only on the v6 cars, the v8's get 6 spds iirc, at least i know the SRT's do (which is the only one to have right?... right?) __________________ Patrick // 06 Frontier 6spd Nismosis // Mods: Uprev Tuned @ Z1 Motorsports: 257whp & 292 ft lbs 09 Pontiac G8 GXP // M6 // Sunroof // Tint... For now

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