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Originally Posted by shadoquad Radek, it still doesn't change the fact that calling all 17 yr olds irresponsible is a crass and broad generalization. There are exceptions to every rule,

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Old 12-23-2010, 10:29 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Radek, it still doesn't change the fact that calling all 17 yr olds irresponsible is a crass and broad generalization. There are exceptions to every rule, mon ami.

Absolutely agree!

I am sure there are some young adults out there that value and respect the car for all it is and wont damage it.

I am sure there are some young adults out there that value and respect the car but because of their inexperience will not be able to keep the car on the road (especially a 300 horse RWD).

but the key word up above is "young adults"... sure 17,18,19,20 etc, one can still be a child at this age, especially if coddled by his/her parents...in which case we have an individual as our friend who posted this thread.

he is a kid if he tells someone "yo that part is worth more than your house".

But ultimately I agree that generalizing is something to avoid =)
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sure 17,18,19,20 etc, one can still be a child at this age, especially if coddled by his/her parents..
In fact, in that age range, the same individual may be mature/immature depending on the day, their mood, and the situation.

I did some really stupid things in cars in that age range, and while my first cars weren't expensive, they were sporty cars. I survived, and I learned to respect performance cars. Could have hurt myself though. Plenty of close calls
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Absolutely agree!

I am sure there are some young adults out there that value and respect the car for all it is and wont damage it.

I am sure there are some young adults out there that value and respect the car but because of their inexperience will not be able to keep the car on the road (especially a 300 horse RWD).

but the key word up above is "young adults"... sure 17,18,19,20 etc, one can still be a child at this age, especially if coddled by his/her parents...in which case we have an individual as our friend who posted this thread.

he is a kid if he tells someone "yo that part is worth more than your house".

But ultimately I agree that generalizing is something to avoid =)

No doubt. I've somehow worked through a 700 horse s2000 (at 20!) and a 500 horse civic (at 18!) without a single accident.

Of course, all this came on my own dime, so maybe that is part of the difference.
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No doubt. I've somehow worked through a 700 horse s2000 (at 20!) and a 500 horse civic (at 18!) without a single accident.

Of course, all this came on my own dime, so maybe that is part of the difference.
money is no object when someone finances your life, but when you earn the things you have, then there is a different level of respect for them all together

PS. good job on a 700 horse s2000, great car to do that to as well
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money is no object when someone finances your life, but when you earn the things you have, then there is a different level of respect for them all together

PS. good job on a 700 horse s2000, great car to do that to as well
I don't think that you need to pay for your own car to appreciate it necessarily, but I think that if you do pay for it, you are much more likely to.
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I don't think that you need to pay for your own car to appreciate it necessarily, but I think that if you do pay for it, you are much more likely to.
Nono, I agree with you. but do you think the "appreciation" per say is different if you have had something given to you, or when you have had to endure long hours and car payments to get it on your own.

I am open to opinion, maybe I am thinking about it the wrong way
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I really do not know, but when a "kid" gets in a car accident, its usually "never their fault"
That mentality is not mutually exclusive to younger drivers, I will put money on the fact that the majority of people these days will not say it is their fault regardless of age. Some of that can come from the "never admit fault" statement that was drilled into many people but the other is from the general state of society where it is never a person's own fault but rather it must be the fault of someone else who could have prevented that person's original failure.


Side note: I resent many of the comments regarding young drivers: being 20 and never having an accident or any tickets of any kind, it really is frustrating to see people generalizing my age into a group of drivers that is reckless and carefree. Just like many generalizations, a few extreme cases end with a general perception of an entire group. It sucks that younger drivers have to be affected by people like the OP.
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That mentality is not mutually exclusive to younger drivers, I will put money on the fact that the majority of people these days will not say it is their fault regardless of age. Some of that can come from the "never admit fault" statement that was drilled into many people but the other is from the general state of society where it is never a person's own fault but rather it must be the fault of someone else who could have prevented that person's original failure.
I never said it was mutually exclusive... and certainly true... I think a big part of acting like an adult is admitting fault for your mistakes. Those of higher order cognition will see through lies and respect a person who has made a mistake and admitted fault moreso than one who has made a mistake and not taken responsibility... IMO ... but you certainly make a valid point.


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Side note: I resent many of the comments regarding young drivers: being 20 and never having an accident or any tickets of any kind, it really is frustrating to see people generalizing my age into a group of drivers that is reckless and carefree. Just like many generalizations, a few extreme cases end with a general perception of an entire group. It sucks that younger drivers have to be affected by people like the OP.
Please direct your attention to the following... I think many people can agree on the dichotomy you are refering to

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Absolutely agree!

I am sure there are some young adults out there that value and respect the car for all it is and wont damage it.

I am sure there are some young adults out there that value and respect the car but because of their inexperience will not be able to keep the car on the road (especially a 300 horse RWD).

but the key word up above is "young adults"... sure 17,18,19,20 etc, one can still be a child at this age, especially if coddled by his/her parents...in which case we have an individual as our friend who posted this thread.

he is a kid if he tells someone "yo that part is worth more than your house".

But ultimately I agree that generalizing is something to avoid =)
I used to get the same comments and dirty looks from people when I was 20 and bought a 2 year old Saab 9-3... I saw it as a compliment that they figured a 20 year old was not capable of achieving something like that... I assumed (and this may not be true, but my assumption at the time) that they made such judgements because they couldnt achieve such lengths when they were 20... IMO

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