haha, guess so! :stirthepot::p

That 1M is hideous ! It looks like somebody ordered a tack on body parts kit from ebay or was designed by the same style-unconscious dorks that designed the new Mazda 3. :roflpuke2:

It is important to note that the rest of the world pays a premium for these cars unlike Americans who get a deeply discounted vehicle. The stock 370Z in Canada starts at $40,000 and tops out around $50,000 for the sport touring model. And yes, our dollars are close enough to par to call it even...

Germans, Australians, Japanese, you name it, we all pay thousands more for cars than Americans. A twin-turbo'd Z from the factory would be in the $60000 mark here, if they even bothered to offer it to us. Keep in mind the Nismo is only available in the US in North America....

Having said that, the BMW is an awesome car and is in its own class, just like the 370Z. If you like Beemers, get one! If you like the Z, get one! But comparing them is really just wrong.

So im driving a 60k car? Sweet 50% off :p

Is it twin turbo'd?

I didn't think so.... sorry, back to $55,000.... :icon17:

I think they had to keep the performance a little behind the m3 ... thats why the 13.2 , I'm guessing its detuned pretty severely

Its also interesting they are doing the twin turbo and not the newer single turbo setup they have in the 335s now.

Yeah, but with ANY options at all that make it worth owning it crests $65K+ in a blurr.
A quick tune from Dinan should be worth mid/low 12's no problem.

Hey! I like my Mazda3!
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m...Mazda3_new.jpg

Look at those snowflake rims. Worth 15+ HP gain. 50+ if they are turbo rims.

I wonder if BMW got to fix those damn fuel pumps. If not then 0-60 is more like infinity, as the car won't be moving at all! :shakes head:

Brakes from the M3? :facepalm: Every serious track enthusiast swaps out the M3 crappy brakes as one of the first mods they do on the car, so giving the same junk to the 1M is a fail from bmw.

And yes the car looks like crap and very ugly. Really, what's the point of this car? They kept the same engine and gearbox as the 135i. An aftermarket suspension on a 135i and an ECU tune would give identical performance to this car, making the 1M redundant. M cars have always been about free revving bespoke engines. M cars were never about slightly modified bread and butter BMW cars. That's like calling the new 335is an M3, which it obviously isn't. Why is this 1M considered an M car when its 3 series equivalent, the 335is is not? They both basically have the same engine tune and overboost. the M division is becomming a joke, making SUVs and entry level coupes. They should just keep the M3 and M5 as their M cars, and the rest of the M cars should be discontinued. This car should be renamed 135is, which it is. And how come they don't have an M version of the z4? That's far more suitable to the M division than a 135i.

So tell us what you really think? :roflpuke2:

<-- wishes his Z would magically lose 300lbs without ripping out the interior.

I would like to know how cars like this weigh the same as the Z when we only have 2 seats and the Z is full of aluminum x,y,z...

Pharmicist what you say about this car not being worth an M badge. Some may say about the nismo Z ... The suspension of the M3 is far better than the standard 335. That alone is a significant improvement and a functioning lsd ( all 1 series have open diffs ) is also a huge plus...

This car in the right persons hands will be a very nasty machine.

:facepalm: cant you read? I already said it. M cars should have their own unique high revving normally aspirated engines. M cars are not merely bolt on upgrades to ordinary bmw cars, which is what this 1m is

*wooooosh*

I dont like the nismo that much either, mainly due to the lack of any performance gain over the sport package. Amd my point is that m cars have always been unique. In addition to improved suspension and lsd they also have their own unique engine and transmission. The 1m is not unique at all. It is just a 135i with an ecu tune and some bolt on diff and suspension upgrades. It really is more like the 335is than the m3. At least bmw could have given it a detuned version of the m3 v8