How do you think the 370z is going to stack up vs. the new 1M coupe?
 

Now that BMW has taken the wraps off of their new 1M coupe, set to be shown at the upcoming Detroit auto show, and be on sale this spring, are any of you tempted? When I was cross shopping cars before I bought my Z, I did take a look at the 135i, and I remember being impressed with the car, particularly the copious torque that was available from very low RPM. I also thought the interior, although relatively spartan, was pretty much at the top of the class in terms of fit and finish (Porsche Cayman included). I know that Car and Driver pitted the 370z against the 135i (and Pontiac Solstice and RX-8) in a comparo about a year ago, and the 370z came out on top. I wonder how the 370z would do in a 3 way shoot out with the new 1M and the base Cayman. Presumably BMW has addressed the understeering issue that plagued the 135i, with all the upgrades to the car's suspension (most parts taken from the current M3), and with the added power and especially the torque over-boost feature, I'm betting this car puts down some impressive numbers. From the comments I've seen, the design of the car is a bit polarizing, but in my estimation, I think they did a great job with it.

Well seeing is that its probably gonna be 50-60K i say F That.

starting at 45k for pricing .

The base on the M3 is the mid 50's so I don't see how that is possible
Most likely it will base in the 40's

the 1M is going to be an absolute beast. If its only 40-50- that will be a steal.

a simple flash and that will be a low 12 high 11 second car and we all know how bmw does there M suspension.

1M>Z that would be a worth while trade up for sure.

go to e90post and read up on it...

but its ugly.....

to each his own though.

Too bad, BMW is not going sell a Euro Spec M in the U.S.

http://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/att...5&d=1291938148 http://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/att...6&d=1291938148

BODY/SUSPENSION:

• High strength steel unibody with widened fenders and track
• Metal roof panel (saves 35lbs over 1-series with moonroof)
• Aluminum suspension from E90/E92 M3. Virtually all of the front-end components are aluminum; virtually every detail on the five-arm rear axle is made of aluminum
• Weight balance of 51.7% front 48.3% rear
• Weighs in at 1,495kg DIN (3,296 lbs, preliminary)

BRAKES/WHEELS:

• Brakes from M3 featuring internally-vented, cross drilled cast icon discs – 14.2 inch front, 13.8 inch rear. Each disc is connected to a floating aluminum hub by cast-in stainless-steel pins which reduces the thermal loads on the discs, thus increasing their performance and service life.
• Dash display brake wear indicator monitors condition of the brake linings.
• M3 Competition / M3 GTS competition wheels – 19x9” with 245/35/19 tires front and 19x10” w/ 265/35/19 tires rear
• Rack-and-pinion steering with hydralic power steering (Servotronic)

ENGINE/TRANSMISSION:

• Free revving twin-turbocharged, all aluminum, 3.0L inline 6 cylinder engine, with direct injection
• 335hp @ 5900rpm
• 332lb-ft torque from 1500-4500rpm (with +37lb-ft overboost)
• 7,000 rpm redline
• 4.7 second 0-60mph / 4.9 second 0-100kmh
• 13.2 second quarter mile
• 155mph top speed
• M Drive button actives razor sharp throttle response program
• 6-speed manual transmission with dry sump cooling system and 3.15:1 final drive ratio, with M gearshift knob
• Upgraded flywheel for use with high torque

M DIFFERENTIAL / TRACTION CONTROL:

• Variable M differential lock for optimum rear wheel drive traction
• DSC traction control
• MDM (M Dynamic Mode) mode allows less intervention from DSC system for more oversteer and maximum performance

( thanks to e90post for this info ) Got to cite your sources!

http://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/att...9&d=1291939495 http://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/att...7&d=1291939542

The engine is certainly able to produce more HP than that, and be quicker but they must keep the stock form under the current M3... It wouldnt make marketing sense if they pushed this car off the lot with 400+ hp ... But with that suspension and the tuning capabilities of that motor there will be a ton of power to pull out rather easily... the interior is very nice.. outside isnt the prettiest thing but its one bad machine... Id take one..

A nicely equipped 135I with a 6spd is about 40k. So yea I say around 50, ok maybe not 60k. O and according to those stats its about as fast or maybe a tik faster then our cars stock. Whats the big deal? Yea its turbo and it takes to mods a billion times better then our cars, but take the 10 15 or even 20K we would save buying our cars and put it into a Z.

seems like it will be a solid car. i'm all for it and i'm happy they are doing it. maybe it will get nissan's *** in gear to produce a more powerful Z to compete. i dunno about you, but i'd pay 45k for a twin turbo'd Z from the factory.

when hyundai comes out with the genesis, and our car is marginally better from a performance perspective, everyone jumps on those 10ths of seconds and tiny power differences like they are mana from heaven. Then when someone mentions the fact that the genesis is cheaper, people are like'oh rabbah rabahh grumble grumble who cares'

the performance/price differences between this car and our car is similar to those between ours and the genesis. Seems like nissan is getting squeezed from both sides, and you know what, i think its great. i love Z cars, and its competition like this that will make them better and better.

competition is a good thing. and when other car companies come out with good cars, that are competitively priced its good for everyone. who knows, maybe nissan will throw a straight six twin turbocharged engine in the next Z :yum:

i gotta admit, the 1M is quite tempting. bmw m cars have always been nothing short of brilliant, imo. if you can get one for ~45K i'd roll with it.

at least bmw gets their traction control correct, not like our z's "OMFG LOSING TRACTION CUT EVERYTHING" vdc button :rofl2:

and yes, nissan needs to seriously start stepping it up. there's some really nice cars that are offering direct competition to the Z, and as much as i love the z, it'd be insane not to notice some of the faults with it. if nissan ever gets around to fixing them, they'd be in good shape!

That would be an awesome Z. But by doing this Nissan would just make the Z go the way of the old 300ZX TT. They got to keep the car affordable. They learned from the mistakes with the 350 and now the 370. As for the Hyundai being close to the performance of our cars, or any other car Hyundai said it was going to be I present this. FF to about 40 seconds in.

I really like the performance aspect of the new 1m. I'm just not crazy about the looks epecially for the price. I'm guessing $50K with decent options. With the limited supply coming to the US you will probably pay near sticker.

:twocents: Buy a fully loaded Z for less than $40k and spend the other $10-12K on FI.

where did they find a mustang gt that slow? I agree, the genesis is still not THAT close to the Z. but my point still stands. No need to hate on competition, its good from a consumers perspective.

^that is what I would do.

hey in more important news, phelan, is that yui? :icon17:

those 135i's looks like a hyundai/kia. no thanks, i'd prefer a 3-series sedan if from bimmer but i dont foresee myself getting one anytime soon due to reliability problems they cant seem to fix.

buy a genesis? might as well buy a mustang will you at it.

If I had 50k to spend, I'd rather get a used 2009 M3 instead of the M1. I'm kinda biased tho since I really don't like 1 series body styling. :barf:

That was not a 5.0 Stang.

Its tough to compare the 1M Coupe to the Z due to the price of each car. The 335i starts at 50k, so im thinking the 1M will be right around 50-55k. That being said, if the Z engineers had another 15 grand to play with, I'm sure the Z could would kill this car in every aspect. Besides the better interior and the more torque in the 1M, I still think the Z is a far better looking vehicle. Most of us wouldn't have had an opportunity to purchase a Z if Nissan wanted to make them compete against the M3, 1M, etc, so lets all be thankful that we have such great cars for such an affordable price.

i think bimmer is aiming to the preivous E46 folks (that ran off to other brands) to come back.

where do you get your facts?
The 335i starts at $41

BMW North America

it would be difficult to find a 335i without any pre-installed options... unless one orders from the factory.

Take a helluva lotta mods to get rid of 1M's f'ugly factor!

yea, as far as bmw is concerned, the steering wheel is an option.

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no denying raw performance ... M owns Z... but theres also no denying looks and that M is on ugly :icon23: car

I meant to say 50k with everything included, my b.......

According to this
2011 BMW 1 Series M Coupe to Cost Around $45,000 (The Torque Report)
theres only going to be about 1,000 available in the US and starting price will be 45K. I have a feeling the price will inflate substantially due to the low availability.

i had to chime in here... i stronly considering waiting for the 1M coupe and not getting a Z. well, i decided to get the Z and trade it in for a 1M coupe if i felt it was that hawt.

after reading about it and seeing pics, i am very happy with my Z. yes, it will be more torquey, it is an M car, and can be modded easier and cheaper (maybe)it is still heavier than the Z and look awkard to me.

pricing is not a big deal as the money saved would be spent modding the Z, and i will probally still come in cheaper after modding the M. the interior is not all that from what i can see; then again, i am not a lux guy at all and love even the base Z's interior. i love the fact i can still work on the Z trouble free in my garage if i want. i am sure that 1M will look better in person, but the Z simply looks much, much better and seems to command more attention.

maybe the next gen 1M coupe will be better; i am not feeling this one at all. BMW missed the mark.

more recent updates state this is not the case; BMW will build them as needed.

The Z wasnt made to take up a 1m. So of course this goes to the 1m. Aftermarket however, Z wins. Around 30k add a tt or sc and then you'll be up there.

i disagree. aftermarket? you gotta buy a TT kit and have it installed and tuned. the 1m comes with TT and just needs a tune.

bottom line is that its still wasn't suppose to compete with it. Still would be cheaper.

I like the way the 1M looks, but why would I want a car with cool oil temps?!?

I'll wait for the 3M. I hear it's really going to stick to the road (dave covers head to avoid objects thrown at him)

"Cricket Cricket" LOL

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13.2s quarter mile for the 1M? That's not so impressive really. Sure a tune will get some big gains, but I was thinking it would be much quicker than 13.2 in stock form.

I'm sure there are going to be people clicking off high 12s with it stock.

bmw's have never really been known for 1/4mi. not that they aren't good at it. they're just not made for it.

Downhill with a tail wind?

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