The new Camaros!
 

Well it's here. They have a new website out in case no one knew about it. What do you guys think about the options and what not.

http://www.chevrolet.com/allnewcamaro/#

Love the styling, but little else, and would not own it as GM's future is unfortunately, seriously in doubt. Too bad.

the site looks pretty damn cool. not a bad looking car. now, i gotta go and check out the specs.

Still not sure what I think of this car. I saw it in 2005, and thought it looked really nice, but it has changed a good bit since then. Now with the new Z I lean even farther from it, I use to love the old school muscle cars when I was little but have grown away from the heavy, bulky, bloated cars.

Now do not get my comments wrong, I still think they are solid cars, but I feel like they are trying to hard with the retro looks.

The Camaro less so than the new Challenger. The Challenger is virtually a carbon-copy set loose in today's world...eerie.

is it even possible that a near 4k pound car is going to get 29mpg highway with there auto? I mean if it is great but why do i not believe it?

That is true, I was shocked when I first saw the new Challenger in person. I just feel like they are not bring enough to the table, I know they want to make the past owners happy with something like this. I just see it as a lack of innovation on their part, they could have gone farther with this, but instead just took an old idea and updated a bit.

I can't get past the heft. It's so freakin' heavy! :ugh2:

I read the thread on the Camaro forum, talking about how the Z and the Chevy weren't really competitors, and I gotta say I agree, but from the opposite angle. Since I want a straight up, no nonsense sports car, I'd NEVER cross shop a vehicle closing in on two tons that needs a monster motor to maintain some semblance of good power/weight. Ick. So it'll get good acceleration numbers. So what? What happens when you get into a tight canyon run or a twisty road course? Think about the transient response. Will the brakes and suspension damping be able to cope with all that mass? I highly doubt it.

S.

Looks like it will be a great car, but I have a feeling GM is going to screw it up like they did last time around. I think the Mustang will continue to outsell it.

Nice looking, no way i would ever own a chevy prod.

Had GM made good use its 3.6L (as they are actually doing so with it as option) as the only motor, and reduced the actual scale of the Camaro down at least 1/4 to almost 1/3 its size, then GM would have been in-touch with today's market. The new Mustang definitely has the scale of the car correct. Too bad others did not take the same lead, and that includes the Challenger. Had they, sales would have increased exponentially. Not only that they would have had a car that could have transitioned into the future, instead it will get stuck in time.

I really like the styling of the Camaro, but in person you really get a sense of its size. The damn thing is huge and it looks every bit of 2 tons. It just doesn't look like a proper sports car in person. Aside from just looking heavy, it really is a porker and will not make me happy on a road course.

Mark

PS: I was seriously considering the Camaro but lurking on Camaro5.com cured me of ever wanting one. If the members of that site are typical Camaro owners, I don't want to be lumped together with those annoying, childish "enthusiasts." Never have I ever run across a bigger group of fanboys blind to reality.

While the exterior is plenty appealing, the interior is garbage. VERY cheap looking. But, that's why not why you buy a camaro I suppose.

No, but that is why I don't buy one.

I sat in one at the auto show, and I felt like I was sitting on the floor. I'm 6 feet tall and I felt like I couldn't see over the dash and hood. The view out of the Z was so much better. Plus the interior was as hard-plasticy as the 350Z. Cool design for the interior, but crap materials.

I like the camaros, mainly because of the engine and its mod potential (and the lovely sound of a V8). Bolt ons should free a lot of power from that engine. But for me it's more than just about straight-line speed. It's about the whole driving experience. And in the regard, the Z wins hands down, imo.

I sat one too, and felt embarrassed for GM putting out such a horrible interior. I think comparing it to the 350 is giving it too much credit. But I had cars with ls1s, ls2s, and ls6s; and if you want a damn fast car that can net serious gains just from bolt ons, it's a winner. I'm just at a point in life where I am willing to sacrifice some HP for a lot more quality.

I saw it on the news,"Fourteen thousand pre-sold Camaro's"! I said to my wife,"Damn"! She replied,"That's a lie"! I trust her judgment , more than mine!

I view the Camaro as a muscle car, not a sports car, although this one does a good job of trying to be sporty. And that 14,000 might not be a lie, because people were reserving Camaros ever since Transformers two years ago, even when told it wasn't coming out for some time.

I don't know how many offhand, but I did hear it was a LOT. Also, almost all were the top dog V8s, kind of surprising giving the market.

According to the camaro website, preordering didn't start until October 08.

The power is tempting. But I hardly ever use the limited power of my 350, so what's it really matter to me? But...426 horsepower...and it comes with an oil cooler.

Didn't like it before and still don't now. Power per dollar ratio is nice though. I actually prefer the Mustang to this. I just don't see how this is nice looking but I guess looks are, afterall, subjective in the end...

Maybe I just need to see it in person?

Wish it was smaller & lighter, more like the 4th gens (I owned two of those). But I'm looking at a pic of Imperial Blue Metallic, with the RS pkg (black rims and HIDs) and I can hear it calling me to buy it. It looks wonderfully sinister.

I love the Imperial Blue, Red Jewel, and the Cyber Gray on it.

Some of the option bundling sucks, (have to get 2SS for steering wheel audio controls and the extra gauges?) but that's true on most new cars.

As much as I hate to admit....it is a very cool car. Did you guys even check out all the options you can add!? Go through the "build your own section" and you'll be amazed at all the add-ons they have.

Of course, I would never get one just because it weighs waaaay too much and GM's future is rocky at best.

I have yet to see one in real life, but I think it looks great. If I were still shopping for a new car it would be on my short list for sure. I hope it's a big seller for GM and they can turn things around.

Well I have made my decision and as much as I like the Z the Camaro wins, no replacement for displacement, a long storied history, amazing 0-60, track times, etc etc.... Enjoy your cars boys you all have a sweet ride. I will enjoy mine as well!

The Camaro design looks cool but I wouldn't choose it over the 370Z. and definitely would not buy a GM product with the state the company is in.
And if the new Mustang is anything like the rental I had a couple of weeks ago no thanks. That was the biggest turd I have driven in years. My truck drives better. :driving:

Well the z is heavy for it's size. So they kind of even out for power to weight ratio.

We will have to wait and see what kind of numbers it puts out when all the magazines do their testing on the car and how it stacks up against other cars.

I read that the stangs are just carry over's from last years models (engine) and they just tweaked the ext and int.

Totally agree with you, TV, the Z IS heavy for its size. But it's still 400-500 pounds lighter than the Camaro, which is why it doesn't need such a big engine to motivate it down the road (my original point).

400-500 pounds. A quarter of a ton. For what? For back seats that are gonna be cramped anyway? A BMW 7 series the Camaro isn't. The SS will be a cool party piece for sure. People will hear your arrival long before they actually see you drive up. Awesome. That V8 has got loads of tuning potential. Great. But how spectacular could that car have been if Chevy had decided to not go pound for pound with Chrysler/Dodge?

S.

It'd be nice if the Camaro was based on a low-cost version of the Corvette platform, instead of being designed from what is basically a full-size-sedan chassis. But the Corvette people would scream bloody murder if Chevy had a 3300 lb Camaro with an LS3 for 30k. Heck I'm surprised GM allowed the 4th gen F-bodies to get as close to the C4/C5 as they did.

Also, 8:19 around the 'Ring aint bad. Assuming the report is true.

^ I believe it to be true, since they had reports and video of it doing 1 second slower in October.

is there a 370z ring time? i have looked and couldn't find anything.

^ Not yet apparently

looks like a beast

OH wouldn't it had been soooo sweet if the 370 had at least 350hp or more. :icon18:

370Z

10.10 lb/hp
12.42 lb/tq
weight distribution 55/45

Camaro SS M6

9.03 lb/hp
9.16 lb/tq
weight distribution 52/48

That looks a bit in favor of the Camaro in my opinion, but I'd give vital organs to have the 370's rev matching feature in the SS!

Ive long been a fan of Camaro's. I owned a 2000 and still own a 69 (for sale). I was definitely planning on getting the new Camaro when it came out, but it just gets harder and harder to make a choice. Get a LOT of power/performance in a used C6 Z51 for 30K? Get a brand new (very fast to depreciate) 370Z that isnt QUITE as good as a C6...but isnt bad either way? Or follow my roots and get a new Camaro just because it has a place in my heart? Heavier and wont handle nearly as well as a C6 Z51...but Im sure its still a fun car.

Either way, I love the styling on it - in particular, black with the HID package and the darker wheels - that looks hot if you ask me :). I'll try to get a screenshot of it...

Was it a V6? Those are supposed to be turds.

Mustang fan here, so you already know what I'm going to say.