The new Camaros!

theDreamer · 03-16-2009, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z

The Camaro less so than the new Challenger. The Challenger is virtually a carbon-copy set loose in today's world...eerie.

That is true, I was shocked when I first saw the new Challenger in person. I just feel like they are not bring enough to the table, I know they want to make the past owners happy with something like this. I just see it as a lack of innovation on their part, they could have gone farther with this, but instead just took an old idea and updated a bit.

SMJane_Again · 03-16-2009, 07:21 PM

I can't get past the heft. It's so freakin' heavy!

I read the thread on the Camaro forum, talking about how the Z and the Chevy weren't really competitors, and I gotta say I agree, but from the opposite angle. Since I want a straight up, no nonsense sports car, I'd NEVER cross shop a vehicle closing in on two tons that needs a monster motor to maintain some semblance of good power/weight. Ick. So it'll get good acceleration numbers. So what? What happens when you get into a tight canyon run or a twisty road course? Think about the transient response. Will the brakes and suspension damping be able to cope with all that mass? I highly doubt it.

S.

tvfreakazoid · 03-17-2009, 08:29 PM

Well the z is heavy for it's size. So they kind of even out for power to weight ratio.

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Originally Posted by SMJane_Again

I can't get past the heft. It's so freakin' heavy!

I read the thread on the Camaro forum, talking about how the Z and the Chevy weren't really competitors, and I gotta say I agree, but from the opposite angle. Since I want a straight up, no nonsense sports car, I'd NEVER cross shop a vehicle closing in on two tons that needs a monster motor to maintain some semblance of good power/weight. Ick. So it'll get good acceleration numbers. So what? What happens when you get into a tight canyon run or a twisty road course? Think about the transient response. Will the brakes and suspension damping be able to cope with all that mass? I highly doubt it.

S.

tvfreakazoid · 03-17-2009, 08:36 PM

We will have to wait and see what kind of numbers it puts out when all the magazines do their testing on the car and how it stacks up against other cars.

I read that the stangs are just carry over's from last years models (engine) and they just tweaked the ext and int.

SMJane_Again · 03-18-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

Well the z is heavy for it's size. So they kind of even out for power to weight ratio.

Totally agree with you, TV, the Z IS heavy for its size. But it's still 400-500 pounds lighter than the Camaro, which is why it doesn't need such a big engine to motivate it down the road (my original point).

400-500 pounds. A quarter of a ton. For what? For back seats that are gonna be cramped anyway? A BMW 7 series the Camaro isn't. The SS will be a cool party piece for sure. People will hear your arrival long before they actually see you drive up. Awesome. That V8 has got loads of tuning potential. Great. But how spectacular could that car have been if Chevy had decided to not go pound for pound with Chrysler/Dodge?

S.

tvfreakazoid · 03-19-2009, 01:55 AM

OH wouldn't it had been soooo sweet if the 370 had at least 350hp or more.

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Originally Posted by SMJane_Again

Totally agree with you, TV, the Z IS heavy for its size. But it's still 400-500 pounds lighter than the Camaro, which is why it doesn't need such a big engine to motivate it down the road (my original point).

400-500 pounds. A quarter of a ton. For what? For back seats that are gonna be cramped anyway? A BMW 7 series the Camaro isn't. The SS will be a cool party piece for sure. People will hear your arrival long before they actually see you drive up. Awesome. That V8 has got loads of tuning potential. Great. But how spectacular could that car have been if Chevy had decided to not go pound for pound with Chrysler/Dodge?

S.

Logansneo · 03-19-2009, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

Well the z is heavy for it's size. So they kind of even out for power to weight ratio.

370Z

10.10 lb/hp
12.42 lb/tq
weight distribution 55/45

Camaro SS M6

9.03 lb/hp
9.16 lb/tq
weight distribution 52/48

That looks a bit in favor of the Camaro in my opinion, but I'd give vital organs to have the 370's rev matching feature in the SS!

03-16-2009, 07:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
SMJane_Again Base Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: COS, CO Posts: 137 Drives: 18 Golf R Rep Power: 18	I can't get past the heft. It's so freakin' heavy! I read the thread on the Camaro forum, talking about how the Z and the Chevy weren't really competitors, and I gotta say I agree, but from the opposite angle. Since I want a straight up, no nonsense sports car, I'd NEVER cross shop a vehicle closing in on two tons that needs a monster motor to maintain some semblance of good power/weight. Ick. So it'll get good acceleration numbers. So what? What happens when you get into a tight canyon run or a twisty road course? Think about the transient response. Will the brakes and suspension damping be able to cope with all that mass? I highly doubt it. S. __________________ ~S.M. "Don't look back. Someone might be gaining on you." -Satchel Paige

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tvfreakazoid A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: kommie kali Posts: 1,238 Drives: 2015 Audi S5; 6spd. Rep Power: 10326	We will have to wait and see what kind of numbers it puts out when all the magazines do their testing on the car and how it stacks up against other cars. I read that the stangs are just carry over's from last years models (engine) and they just tweaked the ext and int. __________________ Mudders milk