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Originally Posted by Lemers Why stop at 400 hp. Because in about 10 yrs the mustang and camaro will have at least 500 hp and a 400 hp Z will

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Old 10-10-2010, 05:45 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Why stop at 400 hp. Because in about 10 yrs the mustang and camaro will have at least 500 hp and a 400 hp Z will be slow.
Not 10 yrs..Next year the camaro z28 will have 550 to 600hp
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Not 10 yrs..Next year the camaro z28 will have 550 to 600hp
yes, but with 436bhp, the current SS is no faster than the previous iteration with 350bhp. That weight soaks it up.
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Not 10 yrs..Next year the camaro z28 will have 550 to 600hp
With a supercharger though.
Slap on a TT in the Z and you can be at 450-500 depending on what PSI you want to run.
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Not 10 yrs..Next year the camaro z28 will have 550 to 600hp
and it will cost the same or more as the GT500, thus killing the "value" of owning it. Ford is dropping the 5.4 engine in the GT500 and will be using the 5.0 engine for the next iteration, it makes more power at a lower PSI, so expect the GT500 to be making 600+ as well. The Whipple 2.3L kit is already making 624hp and 560 ft/lbs at 9 psi.
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Not 10 yrs..Next year the camaro z28 will have 550 to 600hp
I thought the mustang was suppose to compete with the camaro? Once again ford fall's short so there having to compare them to cars with smaller engines..
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I cant see the camero having more power than the vette, as their flagship car. Unless they do the same for the vette
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I thought the mustang was suppose to compete with the camaro? Once again ford fall's short so there having to compare them to cars with smaller engines..

The 5.0 beats the Camaro SS, the Z28 is a supercharged Camaro SS which is meant to take on the GT500. Which as of right now is in a bit of limbo because the contract for the GT500 ends this year and a decision is still being made on where ford wants to go with the top end Mustang.

Same 5.4L with a SC?
Use the 5.0L with a SC or eco boost tech?
Something new?
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The 5.0 beats the Camaro SS, the Z28 is a supercharged Camaro SS which is meant to take on the GT500. Which as of right now is in a bit of limbo because the contract for the GT500 ends this year and a decision is still being made on where ford wants to go with the top end Mustang.

Same 5.4L with a SC?
Use the 5.0L with a SC or eco boost tech?
Something new?
This.
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The 5.0 beats the Camaro SS, the Z28 is a supercharged Camaro SS which is meant to take on the GT500. Which as of right now is in a bit of limbo because the contract for the GT500 ends this year and a decision is still being made on where ford wants to go with the top end Mustang.

Same 5.4L with a SC?
Use the 5.0L with a SC or eco boost tech?
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Well I suppose its about time! The last time a mustang gt out ran a ss or z28 was when the late 80's early 90's body style was out.
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Well I suppose its about time! The last time a mustang gt out ran a ss or z28 was when the late 80's early 90's body style was out.
Well, there are some reasons for that.
The Camaro did not exist for how many years? The 4.6L Mustang run 0.1 second slower than the current Camaro SS and then less than a year later we have the updated 5.0L and the Mustang wipes the floor with it.

What does GM do to respond, they start to rush out a z28. Not saying it was already going to happen, as it was, but countless people inside GM said the Z28 had been delayed, delayed, delayed and then they said they have been working hard for the past few months trying to get a Z28 to market quickly.

I will honest, I am very happy to see this fight begin again. Now if a real Dodge contender would step up, but we all know that will not happen again.
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Well, there are some reasons for that.
The Camaro did not exist for how many years? The 4.6L Mustang run 0.1 second slower than the current Camaro SS and then less than a year later we have the updated 5.0L and the Mustang wipes the floor with it.

What does GM do to respond, they start to rush out a z28. Not saying it was already going to happen, as it was, but countless people inside GM said the Z28 had been delayed, delayed, delayed and then they said they have been working hard for the past few months trying to get a Z28 to market quickly.

I will honest, I am very happy to see this fight begin again. Now if a real Dodge contender would step up, but we all know that will not happen again.
Theres actually talk of an 11' Challenger having the 6.4L in it making 475hp, dont see that making much of a difference though unless it sheds 800lbs.
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Well, there are some reasons for that.
The Camaro did not exist for how many years? The 4.6L Mustang run 0.1 second slower than the current Camaro SS and then less than a year later we have the updated 5.0L and the Mustang wipes the floor with it.
No it doesn't, depending on the magazine article you read, either car "wins" at the drags. I wish I had had a chance to run a new 5.0 in my WS6 to see for myself in the real-world, though.

What does GM do to respond, they start to rush out a z28. Not saying it was already going to happen, as it was, but countless people inside GM said the Z28 had been delayed, delayed, delayed and then they said they have been working hard for the past few months trying to get a Z28 to market quickly.
All they needed to do was shove the LSA under the hood and put some wider tires on it and stiffen the suspension a tad. They already had all the parts. Nothing seems "rushed" to me.

I will honest, I am very happy to see this fight begin again. Now if a real Dodge contender would step up, but we all know that will not happen again.
I think it's good, too. Duke it out, have some fun, talk some smack, and pump some $$ into the economy. Regardless of the brands involved, I am a fan of it, too. (The last Challenger R/T I ran was the 376bhp 6-speed version and it was weaksos. Maybe the 6.4L will be a contender?)
My 2001 F-body was just as fast as the 2010 F-body. GM failed regarding the 5th gen.

I heard the Z28 will correct interior shortcomings. If it does, then it might be something. However, I regard the 5th gen F-body as an excercise in failure. The 2005 mustang GT was WAY! better than the 2004. The 2011, way better than the 2010. The new F-body---well, I would buy a moth-balled 2002 before I would buy a new 2010. I think they look better, and they perform AT LEAST as well.

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My 2001 F-body was just as fast as the 2010 F-body. GM failed regarding the 5th gen.

I heard the Z28 will correct interior shortcomings. If it does, then it might be something. However, I regard the 5th gen F-body as an excercise in failure. The 2005 mustang GT was WAY! better than the 2004. The 2011, way better than the 2010. The new F-body---well, I would buy a moth-balled 2002 before I would buy a new 2010. I think they look better, and they perform AT LEAST as well.
I have to disagree regarding the new Camaro...it's not a failure, IMO. The car certainly isn't perfect, but it has a lot going for it. It's a striking design and the overall build/fit-n-finish is noticeably improved compared to previous generations. Actually, it's not even close. The chassis is way more rigid...the car finally has a solid, quality feel. True, the straight-line performance isn't as good as it could be, but it's not a slug, either. Overall handling is improved, it corners with more confidence and rides well. The IRS is a welcome addition (except for the drag guys). The Brembo brakes are beefier, too. Of course, a pony-car is not a pure sports car, never will be.

My pop had one for about a year. He's more of a truck guy, so he traded it for another truck, but he did like the car. Looks are subjective, but the car got compliments everywhere he went, even a year after introduction. When new, my previous gen F-body never got anywhere near as many positive remarks. Personally, I think the new car is much sharper looking. The interior? Well, I don't think the design is as good as it could be, though the seats are well done. I also like the gauges and the door panel design. The radio/HVAC console does need a redo, IMO. Impressively, the new interior is drum tight and rattle-free, a big improvement over old.

So, I think it's a stretch calling the new car a failure. Again, it's not perfect...it's big/heavy, certain interior design elements need attention, performance is only good, not great and visibility is poor, but the new Camaro is no disgrace, IMO. It's a significant improvement over old.

My $0.02

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Wait, what? The Z28 is designed to compete with the 550hp GT500.
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