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Originally Posted by spearfish25 So according to Road and Track, theses are the performance stats for the Carrera S, Cayman S, and 370Z. I have trouble figuring out why the

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So according to Road and Track, theses are the performance stats for the Carrera S, Cayman S, and 370Z. I have trouble figuring out why the Z is so much slower than the other two, particularly the Carrera S. Aside from the benefit of a rear weight bias for the Carrera giving a quicker 0-60 (better rear traction), the 1/4mi times baffle me. Is the 70lbs and 20hp/25tq that significant? All theories welcome...!

Carrera S
355hp
295tq
wt 3295lbs
0-60 4.1s
0-100 10.3s
60-0 111ft
1/4 12.6@111.9

Cayman S
320hp
273tq
wt 3100lbs
0-60 4.6s
0-100 10.6s
60-0 117ft
1/4 12.9@108.8

370Z
332hp
270tq
wt 3360lbs
0-60 5.2s
0-100 12.8s
60-0 115ft
1/4 13.7@103.9
With only 1300 miles on my Z i did 13.8 @ 103mph with 2.56 6ft time and hitting the rev lmiter on 2nd gear with 1500 DA that day/time. This concludes that the numbers for Z are bogus. Just lower the 60ft time to 1.90-2.09 and you got 108mph trap speed and high 13.00 and even high 12 run....

The reality is the cayman and the Z have similar numbers all across the board.....

Not sure if this thread needs more discussion.
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With only 1300 miles on my Z i did 13.8 @ 103mph with 2.56 6ft time and hitting the rev lmiter on 2nd gear with 1500 DA that day/time. This concludes that the numbers for Z are bogus. Just lower the 60ft time to 1.90-2.09 and you got 108mph trap speed and high 13.00 and even high 12 run....

The reality is the cayman and the Z have similar numbers all across the board.....

Not sure if this thread needs more discussion.
I think this quarter mile stuff is a crock of ****! Their GT cars, or Sports cars, not dragsters! Put them on a road course where they belong, and were made for! Then we will see who wins!
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I think this quarter mile stuff is a crock of ****! Their GT cars, or Sports cars, not dragsters! Put them on a road course where they belong, and were made for! Then we will see who wins!
1. They're not Their.
2. The acceleration numbers were brought up by someone else. For the sake of this discussion I brought up my personal experience.
3. I think prius is a pile of sh!t and all its drivers are douchebags yet you always see them on the road and continue seeing them. 1/4 mile is **** of sh!t but people will take any car including Z and the prius to 1/4 mile and see what they do...

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1. They're not Their.
2. The acceleration numbers were brought up by someone else. For the sake of this discussion I brought up my personal experience.
3. I think prius is a pile of sh!t and all its drivers are douchebags yet you always see them on the road and continue seeing them. 1/4 mile is **** of sh!t but people will take any car including Z and the prius to 1/4 mile and see what they do...

Their-possessive pronoun, used before a noun(cars)!

This quarter mile stuff- the car manufacture use, they know that it will influence people to buy their car. A car that is one second, or two seconds faster,BFD!
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"Their GT cars, or Sports cars, not dragsters!"

This may also be read as: They are GT cars, or sports cars, not dragsters!

Perhaps you meant: Their cars are GT cars, or Sports cars, not dragsters!

This is the370z.com though not theGrammarZone.com so I'll just be quite.
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I don't know about you guys, but I cannot justify the price of a Porsche. 99% of them are built the same way most cars are which is through a mass production line. Depending on what body panels and parts go on it, it determines whether it turns into a convertible or not or etc...

The only thing you pay for with the increased price is better materials and for the name.

Porsches are just like Apple Iphones, they are over priced for what you get. There are tons of other phones out there that has similar features for less.

It would be different for me if I was filthy rich. If I was rich then I wouldn't mind buying a Porsche.
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I don't know about you guys, but I cannot justify the price of a Porsche. 99% of them are built the same way most cars are which is through a mass production line. Depending on what body panels and parts go on it, it determines whether it turns into a convertible or not or etc...

The only thing you pay for with the increased price is better materials and for the name.

Porsches are just like Apple Iphones, they are over priced for what you get. There are tons of other phones out there that has similar features for less.

It would be different for me if I was filthy rich. If I was rich then I wouldn't mind buying a Porsche.
If the iPhone analogy holds for the Porsche, I'm buying a Porsche. Other phones have similar features but none integrate them as seamlessly and have the aesthetic appeal as the iPhone. Porsche is probably the same.
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I don't know about you guys, but I cannot justify the price of a Porsche. 99% of them are built the same way most cars are which is through a mass production line. Depending on what body panels and parts go on it, it determines whether it turns into a convertible or not or etc...

The only thing you pay for with the increased price is better materials and for the name.

Porsches are just like Apple Iphones, they are over priced for what you get. There are tons of other phones out there that has similar features for less.

It would be different for me if I was filthy rich. If I was rich then I wouldn't mind buying a Porsche.
and a prius owner can say the same thing, they are all made the same so why pay more money for the Z. You still dont get the concept of having alot of money and nothing to spend it on I think.

Lets look at it this way: A guy buys a porsche over a 370z for the same reason a guy buys a 370Z over a honda civic. Style points.
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I don't know about you guys, but I cannot justify the price of a Porsche. 99% of them are built the same way most cars are which is through a mass production line. Depending on what body panels and parts go on it, it determines whether it turns into a convertible or not or etc...

The only thing you pay for with the increased price is better materials and for the name.

Porsches are just like Apple Iphones, they are over priced for what you get. There are tons of other phones out there that has similar features for less.

It would be different for me if I was filthy rich. If I was rich then I wouldn't mind buying a Porsche.
You don't need to be "filthy rich" to buy the Porsche, just reasonably affluent. Now tell me, what is "filthy" about being rich?
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I don't know about you guys, but I cannot justify the price of a Porsche. 99% of them are built the same way most cars are which is through a mass production line. Depending on what body panels and parts go on it, it determines whether it turns into a convertible or not or etc...

The only thing you pay for with the increased price is better materials and for the name.

Porsches are just like Apple Iphones, they are over priced for what you get. There are tons of other phones out there that has similar features for less.

It would be different for me if I was filthy rich. If I was rich then I wouldn't mind buying a Porsche.
I read up to the 7th page, and I cant believe no one brought this up! I have owned over 20 cars from all over the world. Now I quoted to make a quick point. I have bought a number of cell phones as well. I have had 4 apple I phones. I now currently have a Droid, and I will be switching back to the Iphone within the next few weeks.

My reasoning behind this is, When there is a problem with my droid, they send me a phone number and have me call someone to discuss and it never gets resolved.

This reminds me of Nissan, I have had my car in the service Dept for a bad throw out bearing and other various things. Every time they told me that the symptom is "normal". Customer service is shoddy, and I even was told by my SALES person, that he gave me a key when I had the IOu for one, then he proceeded to call me a liar to his manager.

When I drove a BMW, Audi, even a corvette, the service department was more than helpful, and would replace parts for even preventative maint. They would make sure all of my concerns were addressed, and even would call me to see if I wanted a car wash.

At apple, When your Iphone is having trouble, You go to a retail location and they will fix it or replace it altogether.

THIS is what people pay for. The service behind the initial purchase.
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With only 1300 miles on my Z i did 13.8 @ 103mph with 2.56 6ft time and hitting the rev lmiter on 2nd gear with 1500 DA that day/time. This concludes that the numbers for Z are bogus. Just lower the 60ft time to 1.90-2.09 and you got 108mph trap speed and high 13.00 and even high 12 run....

The reality is the cayman and the Z have similar numbers all across the board.....

Not sure if this thread needs more discussion.
I think what you are failing to see is, if the Z numbers are wrong then the porsche numbers are probably wrong too. So do the same for the other cars too and its still the same result.
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With only 1300 miles on my Z i did 13.8 @ 103mph with 2.56 6ft time and hitting the rev lmiter on 2nd gear with 1500 DA that day/time. This concludes that the numbers for Z are bogus. Just lower the 60ft time to 1.90-2.09 and you got 108mph trap speed and high 13.00 and even high 12 run....

The reality is the cayman and the Z have similar numbers all across the board.....

Not sure if this thread needs more discussion.
When you have a high 12 timeslip, you might be right. Until then, documented runs say the 370Z auto is faster than the Cayman S
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I think what you are failing to see is, if the Z numbers are wrong then the porsche numbers are probably wrong too. So do the same for the other cars too and its still the same result.
Read my post again..... Do a little analyzing and see if you make sense....
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When you have a high 12 timeslip, you might be right. Until then, documented runs say the 370Z auto is faster than the Cayman S
huhhh.... ?
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