Explain these numbers: Carrera S vs 370Z

KillerBee370 · 09-12-2010, 12:37 AM

Could be a number of factors but for a minimal investment (compared to the cost of a Porsche), you can even up the playing field.

And my car still gets more stares than those two.

christian370z · 09-12-2010, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by KillerBee370

Could be a number of factors but for a minimal investment (compared to the cost of a Porsche), you can even up the playing field.

And my car still gets more stares than those two.

Exactly, one big plus for this car. I am all for bang for the buck but there is a lot of potential in these cars with just a few small changes like a set of sway bars, intake, and CBE. Stock for stock is something I don't even think about, I don't leave anything stock anyway!

Zsteve · 09-12-2010, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by christian370z

Exactly, one big plus for this car. I am all for bang for the buck but there is a lot of potential in these cars with just a few small changes like a set of sway bars, intake, and CBE. Stock for stock is something I don't even think about, I don't leave anything stock anyway!

And if the Porsche driver did the same upgrades he would still beat the Z. And again the Z is not the best bang for the buck if we are talking speed. A base vette is probably the best bang for the buck for speed stock. What you might need to say say is its the best bang for your buck level. The Z is a nice car but I dont have grand illusions that its the mother of all cars, like vette owners think theirs is. And as far as getting looks, is there always a Porsche next to you when someone is looking and that is how you know you get 2X the looks? Go to downtown Miami and see who will get the girl with their car, the Z or the Porsche. Now Nissan did good with the changes they made for the 370Z as its the best looking one so far IMO and best performing.

rebe945 · 09-12-2010, 10:48 PM

I have a report that the Z did a 4.6 60 using the automatic tranny. It all depends on many conditions.

Zsteve · 09-12-2010, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rebe945

I have a report that the Z did a 4.6 60 using the automatic tranny. It all depends on many conditions.

true that

nuTinmuch · 09-13-2010, 11:58 AM

I love how women are objectified as prizes to be won when you drive up in a car. Car forums are literally the best.

Forrest · 09-11-2010, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by G37Sam

Don't forget the Cayman/Carrera are mid/rear engines, these usually experience less drivetrain losses than a front engine RWD

+1 that is exactly what i was thinking. No where near the same drivetrain loss.

nuTinmuch · 09-11-2010, 04:25 PM

The performance numbers for the 370z are pretty low compared to every other test stuff.

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I'm sorry if you think the Cayman is "just a second quicker" than a 370Z, the interior quality and finish of the Cayman is centuries ahead of that in a Z. The smell of their leather was enough to get my pants wet lol

They also get a PDK gearbox an engine that can be driven all day on the track without going into limp mode. The only advantage the Z has is its price.

Yeah, but it is like saying that a Z has a interior centuries ahead of a Cobalt. Of course it does, but... duh! I'm not arguing that it isn't nice, but you've gotta be shelling out that money for something -- and imo, I'm still in the stage of my life where interior quality isn't the most important thing on my list.

Zsteve · 09-11-2010, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by nuTinmuch

The performance numbers for the 370z are pretty low compared to every other test stuff.

Yeah, but it is like saying that a Z has a interior centuries ahead of a Cobalt. Of course it does, but... duh! I'm not arguing that it isn't nice, but you've gotta be shelling out that money for something -- and imo, I'm still in the stage of my life where interior quality isn't the most important thing on my list.

Thats you and everyone has thier own things they want.. But when you have big $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ you can pay 100K and it would be felt less than what we felt paying for the Z. If you had 100K to spend on a car only would you have still bought the 370Z? I wouldnt have. The % of your income that you spent on your Z is probably the same % some spend on the Porsche etc. Its all about how much you have to spend.

m4a1mustang · 09-11-2010, 05:37 PM

People compare different classes of cars all the time for the entertainment value.

Though despite the price differences, the 370 vs. the Cayman is a fair comparison because Nissan itself has said that the Cayman was the performance target during development.

wilsonp · 09-11-2010, 08:24 PM

Seems like Corvettes run 10 - 15% so the 370Z at 19% doesn't seem terrible, but obviously could have been better even in FWD.

Another reason NSX was pretty fast at 270HP.

PapoZalsa · 09-11-2010, 08:47 PM

Weight difference, suspension, handling, etc....

Push370zzz · 09-11-2010, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25

So according to Road and Track, theses are the performance stats for the Carrera S, Cayman S, and 370Z. I have trouble figuring out why the Z is so much slower than the other two, particularly the Carrera S. Aside from the benefit of a rear weight bias for the Carrera giving a quicker 0-60 (better rear traction), the 1/4mi times baffle me. Is the 70lbs and 20hp/25tq that significant? All theories welcome...!

Carrera S
355hp
295tq
wt 3295lbs
0-60 4.1s
0-100 10.3s
60-0 111ft
1/4 12.6@111.9

Cayman S
320hp
273tq
wt 3100lbs
0-60 4.6s
0-100 10.6s
60-0 117ft
1/4 12.9@108.8

370Z
332hp
270tq
wt 3360lbs
0-60 5.2s
0-100 12.8s
60-0 115ft
1/4 13.7@103.9

The Porsche's obviously have more available traction given the same tires, which helps them launch quicker. A 1 second faster 0-60 will probably also yield a 1 second+ faster 0-100 and quarter mile, which is exactly what it shows. The most important things in figuring how quick a car is is going to be the dyno chart, the tires, and the weight. Maximum HP/TQ doesn't mean a whole lot at all, but the area underneath that TQ curve.

Endgame · 09-11-2010, 11:52 PM

And how many Porsche drivers can hit the numbers posted for them? These mag times are all from professional drivers. I doubt many Porsche drivers can hit the numbers posted for them......

Except for the ones driving the GT3's! Most of the other Porsche owners I know baby their cars, just like many Vette owners.

Although one of my client's father's was tearing up the street in his Cayman S.... It was pretty cool.

ProfessorDave · 09-12-2010, 09:58 AM

I changed my mind. If I had the $$, I'd get an Audi R8 (and I'd keep my Z). If I had even more $$$, I'd get a Lexus LFA (and would give my Z to one of the kids).

A guy can dream, can't he?!?

09-12-2010, 10:48 PM	#4 (permalink)
rebe945 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: middleburg hts, ohio Posts: 491 Drives: 2009 370Z black 7at Rep Power: 16	Z doing a 4.6 I have a report that the Z did a 4.6 60 using the automatic tranny. It all depends on many conditions.

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	People compare different classes of cars all the time for the entertainment value. Though despite the price differences, the 370 vs. the Cayman is a fair comparison because Nissan itself has said that the Cayman was the performance target during development. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

09-11-2010, 08:24 PM	#11 (permalink)
wilsonp A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,134 Drives: 2009 Touring Sp Nav Rep Power: 18	Seems like Corvettes run 10 - 15% so the 370Z at 19% doesn't seem terrible, but obviously could have been better even in FWD. Another reason NSX was pretty fast at 270HP. __________________ 2014 Cayman S PDK Sport Chrono White/Black Was 2009 370Z Touring Sport+Nav 7AT Metallic Black/Persimmon Was 1991 NSX Auto Black/Black

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PapoZalsa A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Not in Sunny Florida Posts: 6,358 Drives: 16 Nismo w/Tech Pack Rep Power: 4500	Weight difference, suspension, handling, etc.... __________________ 2009 370Z MB Base w/Sport Package 6MT Modshack's Custom Air Intakes /3M Clear Bra/ Illuminated Kick Plates / F. I CBE w/12" resonators / EVO-R Front Lip / Rear Hatch Wing / Tein S-Tech Springs /Ilegal Tint in the Rep. of VA/4x20mm Z1 Spacers/ Vinyl Roof/Liquid Carbon Designs

09-12-2010, 12:37 AM	#1 (permalink)
KillerBee370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: So Cal baby! Age: 52 Posts: 5,964 Drives: with passion Rep Power: 322	Could be a number of factors but for a minimal investment (compared to the cost of a Porsche), you can even up the playing field. And my car still gets more stares than those two.

09-11-2010, 11:52 PM	#14 (permalink)
Endgame A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1,613 Drives: Nothing Now! Rep Power: 224	And how many Porsche drivers can hit the numbers posted for them? These mag times are all from professional drivers. I doubt many Porsche drivers can hit the numbers posted for them...... Except for the ones driving the GT3's! Most of the other Porsche owners I know baby their cars, just like many Vette owners. Although one of my client's father's was tearing up the street in his Cayman S.... It was pretty cool.

09-12-2010, 09:58 AM	#15 (permalink)
ProfessorDave A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Scranton, PA Posts: 1,580 Drives: In the fairway Rep Power: 20	I changed my mind. If I had the $$, I'd get an Audi R8 (and I'd keep my Z). If I had even more $$$, I'd get a Lexus LFA (and would give my Z to one of the kids). A guy can dream, can't he?!? __________________ Rain, snow, sleet, hail: 2009 Mazda 3 sGT HB Everything else: 2009 370z, PW Touring 6MT

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