Has VDC made you a worse Z driver?

fullmonty · 08-12-2010, 11:43 PM

One of those live and learn things

Vegitto-kun · 08-13-2010, 05:52 AM

slightly relevant to this topic

Zaggeron · 08-13-2010, 07:28 AM

^^ I know the VDC system on the Z is pretty heavy handed, but is it the case it kicks in when it shouldn't or just that it kicks in to a much higher degree than it should when it does kick in? If the former, it seems clear it slows the driver down since it activates in cases where it is not really necessary -- cutting power when it shouldn't have. If the latter, it may be that a good driver can drive at the edge, not have the VDC kick in and be just as fast as someone who drives with it off -- the downside is that if the driver makes a small error with the VDC on, then they pay for it more than if there error was small with the VDC off. I really don't know because the edge of traction is so high on our cars that most of the time I'm nowhere near the edge.

Vegitto-kun · 08-13-2010, 07:31 AM

I had the most problems when I raced on francorchamps

I would come out of a corner in third and then I go WOT

and for some reason the VDC kicks in saying I didn't have enough traction and basically gave me a second lag before I accelerated

I always lol when im in fifth and im going WOT sometimes the VDC kicks in.

Zaggeron · 08-13-2010, 07:35 AM

That doesn't necessarily mean that the VDC slowed you down unless someone could hit the corner via the same line with the VDC off go WOT and be faster. My guess is that WOT right at that APEX is not a good idea regardless of VDC settings.

Vegitto-kun · 08-13-2010, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zaggeron

That doesn't necessarily mean that the VDC slowed you down unless someone could hit the corner via the same line with the VDC off go WOT and be faster. My guess is that WOT right at that APEX is not a good idea regardless of VDC settings.

It was after the apex. a straight.

I wouldn't dare WOTing on a apex.

I accidently clipped a apex after it rained. the car almost spun around.

I guess VDC saved me back then

spearfish25 · 08-13-2010, 08:28 AM

Guys, come on. Our cars have power but not that much. Even with VDC off, I have to WANT the tail to break loose. That usually requires a throttle stop that my mind is saying "careful, you're doing this on purpose....carefuuuuuul" while I'm doing it. Driving around with VDC off in a spirited manner with smooth braking, cornering and acceleration won't suddenly whip-snap the car around on you. I've done multiple autoX events in the rain this summer, and it still takes a premature throttle mash coming out of a corner to get the backend loose. The short of it is this: we have very stable, capable cars. Even with VDC off, it takes an error in judgement or sheer determination to break the back end loose. Even on a track at the limit, it's very predictable and requires foolishness to upset the car. We'll see if I eat my words at the PDX this afternoon...

TongMan · 08-13-2010, 08:32 AM

OP, where are the pics of your wrecked Z?

CBRich · 08-13-2010, 09:05 AM

If you need VDC off during your daily driving because it's not letting you "test the limits" or "feel in tune with the car" you're doing it wrong.

m4a1mustang · 08-13-2010, 01:29 PM

FWIW I tested VDC in the mud today. Works pretty well.

shadoquad · 08-13-2010, 02:36 PM

To me, this question seems like that trap question, "Do these pants make my butt look big?" And the evil side of me always wants to answer, "No, your butt was already big."

So, does VDC make you a worse driver? No, you fail at driving with or without electronic assistance.

TX_370 · 08-13-2010, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadoquad

To me, this question seems like that trap question, "Do these pants make my butt look big?" And the evil side of me always wants to answer, "No, your butt was already big."

So, does VDC make you a worse driver? No, you fail at driving with or without electronic assistance.

Zsteve · 08-13-2010, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadoquad

To me, this question seems like that trap question, "Do these pants make my butt look big?" And the evil side of me always wants to answer, "No, your butt was already big."

So, does VDC make you a worse driver? No, you fail at driving with or without electronic assistance.

I like big butts I can not lie.

fullmonty · 08-13-2010, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zsteve

I like big butts I can not lie.

other brothers can deny

Zsteve · 08-13-2010, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullmonty

other brothers can deny

Butt that big butt in my car makes me a worse driver.

08-12-2010, 11:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
fullmonty A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Dirty Jersey Posts: 7,762 Drives: 370 Touring/Sport Rep Power: 35	One of those live and learn things __________________

08-13-2010, 07:28 AM	#3 (permalink)
Zaggeron A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,951 Drives: '10 370ZR '13 BRZ Rep Power: 20	^^ I know the VDC system on the Z is pretty heavy handed, but is it the case it kicks in when it shouldn't or just that it kicks in to a much higher degree than it should when it does kick in? If the former, it seems clear it slows the driver down since it activates in cases where it is not really necessary -- cutting power when it shouldn't have. If the latter, it may be that a good driver can drive at the edge, not have the VDC kick in and be just as fast as someone who drives with it off -- the downside is that if the driver makes a small error with the VDC on, then they pay for it more than if there error was small with the VDC off. I really don't know because the edge of traction is so high on our cars that most of the time I'm nowhere near the edge. __________________ 2010 Platinum Graphite 370z Roadster:Touring/Sport 2013 Subaru BRZ Limited Last edited by Zaggeron; 08-13-2010 at 07:32 AM.

08-13-2010, 07:35 AM	#5 (permalink)
Zaggeron A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,951 Drives: '10 370ZR '13 BRZ Rep Power: 20	That doesn't necessarily mean that the VDC slowed you down unless someone could hit the corner via the same line with the VDC off go WOT and be faster. My guess is that WOT right at that APEX is not a good idea regardless of VDC settings. __________________ 2010 Platinum Graphite 370z Roadster:Touring/Sport 2013 Subaru BRZ Limited

08-13-2010, 08:28 AM	#7 (permalink)
spearfish25 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 4,117 Drives: to work Rep Power: 1858	Guys, come on. Our cars have power but not that much. Even with VDC off, I have to WANT the tail to break loose. That usually requires a throttle stop that my mind is saying "careful, you're doing this on purpose....carefuuuuuul" while I'm doing it. Driving around with VDC off in a spirited manner with smooth braking, cornering and acceleration won't suddenly whip-snap the car around on you. I've done multiple autoX events in the rain this summer, and it still takes a premature throttle mash coming out of a corner to get the backend loose. The short of it is this: we have very stable, capable cars. Even with VDC off, it takes an error in judgement or sheer determination to break the back end loose. Even on a track at the limit, it's very predictable and requires foolishness to upset the car. We'll see if I eat my words at the PDX this afternoon... __________________ 2013 Cadillac V-Wagon, RIP Z

08-13-2010, 01:29 PM	#10 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	FWIW I tested VDC in the mud today. Works pretty well. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

08-13-2010, 05:52 AM	#2 (permalink)
Vegitto-kun A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: USA Posts: 2,011 Drives: 09 370Z Rep Power: 264	slightly relevant to this topic

08-13-2010, 07:31 AM	#4 (permalink)
Vegitto-kun A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: USA Posts: 2,011 Drives: 09 370Z Rep Power: 264	I had the most problems when I raced on francorchamps I would come out of a corner in third and then I go WOT and for some reason the VDC kicks in saying I didn't have enough traction and basically gave me a second lag before I accelerated I always lol when im in fifth and im going WOT sometimes the VDC kicks in.

08-13-2010, 08:32 AM	#8 (permalink)
TongMan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: NorCal Posts: 1,297 Drives: 2013 Nissan GTR Rep Power: 717	OP, where are the pics of your wrecked Z?

08-13-2010, 09:05 AM	#9 (permalink)
CBRich A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SC Posts: 2,464 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 546	If you need VDC off during your daily driving because it's not letting you "test the limits" or "feel in tune with the car" you're doing it wrong.

08-13-2010, 02:36 PM	#11 (permalink)
shadoquad A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: . Posts: 42,608 Drives: . Rep Power: 3888	To me, this question seems like that trap question, "Do these pants make my butt look big?" And the evil side of me always wants to answer, "No, your butt was already big." So, does VDC make you a worse driver? No, you fail at driving with or without electronic assistance.

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