so what exactly do you have to do....

MaximumPwr · 02-25-2009, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by shumby

^^^ i let go of the stearing wheel and close my eyes. They say you go where you are looking so if you look nowhere you are safe. Lol

lmao

m4a1mustang · 02-25-2009, 05:48 AM

Most important thing is not to panic. It can be pretty easy to talk about what you should do to bring the tail end back in order, but for many people it's difficult to execute simply because they aren't expecting the slide and panic, or just don't have that "feel."

Best advice I can give is just to learn how to drive on the edge in a controlled environment. Sign up for some high performance driving classes... ride along with licensed instructors at track days, etc. Get some seat time and feel what it's like to drive on a race track and start pushing the edge as you gain confidence.

You can also do some PC sim racing to supplement your real life experience. A realistic simulator like iRacing.com (which uses laser scanned tracks, accurate to the millimeter) and a good setup and routine practice will keep your senses up in between track days.

At the end of the day, though, some people are just born with it. I can hang the tail out all day long with a smile on my face. For others, a little bit of wheel spin could lead to a panic situation and a crash.

RCZ · 02-25-2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by chimZEE370

I'm confuse can we lose control just with normal driving (straight ,dry road ) or when go go fast on corners? What about going through gears fast straight line? You guys are scaring me is rwd that bad ?

No, you will not lose control in normal driving. You have to be going fast in corners close to the limits of the car for this to apply. Most people have no idea where the limits of their cars are though and thats the dangerous part. This isn't just race track stuff though, lots of people like to go fast on exit ramps for example...I've seen more than a few instances where people lose it or almost lose it because they back off the throttle abruptly mid-corner. Remember, be smooth with the throttle and you will be OK. Even if you are mid corner going super fast, you can get off the gas, but you must do it SMOOTHLY. Count to 5 when as you are letting off.

RWD is not bad. You can drive your car hard chim, don't worry about these things just yet. Just be aware of them...

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Most important thing is not to panic. It can be pretty easy to talk about what you should do to bring the tail end back in order, but for many people it's difficult to execute simply because they aren't expecting the slide and panic, or just don't have that "feel."

Best advice I can give is just to learn how to drive on the edge in a controlled environment. Sign up for some high performance driving classes... ride along with licensed instructors at track days, etc. Get some seat time and feel what it's like to drive on a race track and start pushing the edge as you gain confidence.

You can also do some PC sim racing to supplement your real life experience. A realistic simulator like iRacing.com (which uses laser scanned tracks, accurate to the millimeter) and a good setup and routine practice will keep your senses up in between track days.

At the end of the day, though, some people are just born with it. I can hang the tail out all day long with a smile on my face. For others, a little bit of wheel spin could lead to a panic situation and a crash.

It takes experience, end of the story.

Also I am always hesitant to suggest video games because people are just like "what?". But this is a HUUUUUUUUGE point. I wish everyone who is starting to drive a sports car would be FORCED to buy a Logitech G25 Racing wheel and GTR2. There are other good simulations and steering wheels too. THe G25 has a gated shifter and a clutch though, so it is the most realistic.

You guys have NO idea how helpful these "games" can be. They help you build automatic responses to slides/understeer/snap oversteer/ wheelspin/ spins/ weight transfer/ smoothness/ the correct line around corners. In a completely safe environment.

I highly HIGHLY suggest you guys who are just learning to handle RWD Spend $20 for GTR2 and $60 for a Logitech MOMO Racing Steering Wheel. If you have a little more cash, DEFINITELY get the Logitech G25 Wheel. You will thank me later.

Also, to the ones who gave me Rep, thank you. Lets me know my comments are appreciated and that they are actually being read. As stupid as it sounds, it justifies spending 15 min replying to a thread for the good of the members.

!xoible · 02-25-2009, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

It takes experience, end of the story.

that's what i find like a catch-22 situation with the Z. i have never been on the track, i get all the theory but in action it's always different. i want a track car to go on the track and practice that. the Z doesnt let u because requires that you are already experienced (VDC off = know ur stuff or die)...

CrownR426 · 02-25-2009, 12:48 PM

I'd drift my stress away on the lighter note

RCZ · 02-24-2009, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BanningZ

Enjoy your possibly last minutes.

J/K

let off the gas and steer in the direction of the skid

wrong

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Originally Posted by 3SeventyZ

Take your foot off the gas and put it on the brake.

wrong

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Originally Posted by spiderman

(1) foot off the gas;
(2) ease foot on the brake;
(3) tuck your head, pray, and kiss your a@# good-bye

wrong

Taking your foot off the gas when you are experiencing oversteer will cause you to spin.

What you want to do is apply an adequate amount of countersteer and stay on the gas smoothly until you have the slide under control, only then can you start to ease off the gas. Applying the brakes mid-slide is even worst that getting off the gas.

Don't freak out, don't tuck your head. Controlling a slide can be done 95% of the time. Whatever you do, dont get scared and jump OFF the gas, you will spin into whatever you are trying to avoid.

If you are talking about a full on out of control 4 wheel drift that you can't save because youre in dire dire situations... clutch in, brakes in and let them go when you think you are pointing in the right direction... IE not into a wall.

!xoible · 02-24-2009, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

wrong

wrong

wrong

Taking your foot off the gas when you are experiencing oversteer will cause you to spin.

What you want to do is apply an adequate amount of countersteer and stay on the gas smoothly until you have the slide under control, only then can you start to ease off the gas. Applying the brakes mid-slide is even worst that getting off the gas.

Don't freak out, don't tuck your head. Controlling a slide can be done 95% of the time. Whatever you do, dont get scared and jump OFF the gas, you will spin into whatever you are trying to avoid.

If you are talking about a full on out of control 4 wheel drift that you can't save because youre in dire dire situations... clutch in, brakes in and let them go when you think you are pointing in the right direction... IE not into a wall.

yep. this guy knows to drive. do not ditch the throttle. yes do not push it, but keep the throttle open and ready to make it get out out of the situation.
it also depends on the situation. sometimes counter steering will not help, so letting the car steer itself (depending on what kind of stability control u have) might help.

i also agree on using gears if it's critical.

on my 370z test drive the car went side ways, or the car kept on going straight despite my steering at a corner. my wheels where turned to the right but the car kept on sliding straight. the goddamn rev-match could have killed me coz i couldnt make it engine-stop the car. i had to steer back straight and brake hard. i freaked out but i acted like i knew what i was doing so the salesman doesnt go nuts on me. steering broke on me suddenly, it was a surprise compare to how well the car was handling right before

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	Most important thing is not to panic. It can be pretty easy to talk about what you should do to bring the tail end back in order, but for many people it's difficult to execute simply because they aren't expecting the slide and panic, or just don't have that "feel." Best advice I can give is just to learn how to drive on the edge in a controlled environment. Sign up for some high performance driving classes... ride along with licensed instructors at track days, etc. Get some seat time and feel what it's like to drive on a race track and start pushing the edge as you gain confidence. You can also do some PC sim racing to supplement your real life experience. A realistic simulator like iRacing.com (which uses laser scanned tracks, accurate to the millimeter) and a good setup and routine practice will keep your senses up in between track days. At the end of the day, though, some people are just born with it. I can hang the tail out all day long with a smile on my face. For others, a little bit of wheel spin could lead to a panic situation and a crash.