overheated 370/no oil part 2

DakillaZ · 07-01-2010, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sibze

I agree Zaggeron that’s what I am thinking too. It SHOULDN'T be a Nissan problem because really what could have gone wrong for the engine to eat that much oil???

I do not understand though, why we need to slam members for not looking into their oil... When I take my car to a professional (I cannot comment on where he took is car as I don't know the place) I would hope its done right. I know our car is a big investment and it is something I personally would want to look at every time I get my oil changed however, some people do not have any mechanical knowledge and need to rely on these "Professionals" that they do things right. If the OP was a 90 year old grandmother would you feel the same way? “You should have checked your oil level.”

It’s a very bad situation and unfortunately one that may end up costing the OP some money…

exactly im not a mechanical geek my 95 eldarado oil light always popps that tells me CHANGE THE OIL ASAP..im not saying always wait for the oil light to get an oil change but it sure woulld have helped..especially considering the last oil change was done about 3000 miles ago

SoCal 370Z · 07-01-2010, 08:56 PM

Dakilla,

I'm not saying yea or nay, but you can add a great deal of credence to your incident by simply uploading a pic of your service sheet from the Nissan dealership (even if it's the one they gave you when you admitted your Z) so members can see it. You can also scan and blackout important data such as names, and the like, but leave enough information showing that validates your case.

Losing 5 1/8 of oil is a lot and believe me the tale-tale signs will show even if a little to the entire volume of oil leaving the engine. The tailpipe tips, and the rear bumper will exhibit signs on a slow burn and even if the rings went you would notice black smoke bellowing in your rearview mirror and someone behind you would have alerted you if you didn't. Our 370Z gets its oil checked after each drive about an hour later when it comes to rest in our garage. If you were changing your own oil you might have stripped the oil drain plug if not torque correctly or by using an air tool versus a hand tool, but the dealership can determine that too. Good luck on the outcome....hopefully, it is in your favor.

Jordo! · 07-01-2010, 09:06 PM

The knocking you are describing is probably rod knock -- meaning that due to improper oiling, the bearings were toasted, and bam -- dead motor.

This leads me to believe either:

(1) Faulty motor -- possible, but the lack of oil begs the question of where it went...

(2) oil pump or oil pickup failed -- again, possible, but then we'd see evidence of a destroyed oil pump gear or something major blocking the pick up in the pan -- again where is the oil?

(3) Seriously fvcked engine from improper ring sealing due to incorrect break in/poor build -- possible, but it's hard to imagine all the oil went into blowby and you would have been way down on compression and therefore power

(4) Oil leak or oil was never put back in -- the pistons and rods are coated with a dry lubricant film (I believe), so yes, it is actually possible that you had hardly any oil in there and it held together for a while before breaking -- highly unlikely, but not impossible.

(5) A combination -- not enough oil was put in, you were burning what little there was from improper ring sealing, etc. finally insufficient lubrication led to toasted bearings.

Get a lawyer.

And a leakdown test/teardown.

WarmAndSCSI · 07-01-2010, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo!

(3) Seriously fvcked engine from improper ring sealing due to incorrect break in/poor build -- possible, but it's hard to imagine all the oil went into blowby and you would have been way down on compression and therefore power

Engine output actually may not be affected by poor ring sealing which is causing oil consumption. Depends which rings are at fault. Failure or poor sealing of the oil control ring and/or the 2nd compression ring can cause oil consumption, but not necessarily a large loss of power since most of the cylinder sealing is accomplished by the top/1st compression ring. Power WILL be lost by inadequate oiling of the wrist pin, piston skirt, etc. in those cases, however. But that power loss would be negligible until you had a wrist pin seize on you.

Jordo! · 07-01-2010, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI

Engine output actually may not be affected by poor ring sealing which is causing oil consumption. Depends which rings are at fault. Failure or poor sealing of the oil control ring and/or the 2nd compression ring can cause oil consumption, but not necessarily a large loss of power since most of the cylinder sealing is accomplished by the top/1st compression ring. Power WILL be lost by inadequate oiling of the wrist pin, piston skirt, etc. in those cases, however. But that power loss would be negligible until you had a wrist pin seize on you.

Thanks for the clarification -- expertise is always relative, so it's good to talk to someone I can learn a thing or two (or three) from

Zaggeron · 07-01-2010, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo!

(5) A combination -- not enough oil was put in, you were burning what little there was from improper ring sealing, etc. finally insufficient lubrication led to toasted bearings.

Get a lawyer.

And a leakdown test/teardown.

That's my current theory. When he got his oil changed they didn't put in enough and that caused the rest to slowly burn off.

SoCal 370Z · 07-01-2010, 09:13 PM

BGTV8 · 07-01-2010, 09:15 PM

PEBCAK .... and if you need to figure it out, go to

acronyms finder dictionary and abreviations finder dictionary - acronyms and abreviations list, definitions and funny acronyms from medical, military, army, training, business, internet, and emails.

and I am sure you will find lots of other acronyms that may well apply.

If there is no oil in the sump, either there never was any oil in the sump from the last time it was drained (and not refilled - either partially or completely), or it has been burned and the exhaust pipes will show oil traces, or it leaked out and there will be oil traces under the vehicle.

The only other option is leprechauns .... but since you-awl are in the good ole YewSay, I think I can safely rule them out ...

So you are left with only 3 options ... and if there is no oil on the underside the car, and no trace of oil in the exhaust system, there is only one explanation .... an incompletely filled sump after the last oil change. The fact that there was no low oil pressure warning light needs to be investgated as the electrical connector from the oil pressure switch, or the oil pressure switch itself may have failed.

I would go see a member of the legal profession ..... and consult an independent mechanic to check the circuitry to the oil pressure sender and the sender itself.

The other lesson - get into the habit of a simple weekly check: 1) oil dipstick, 2) radiator water level in the overflow tank; 3) tyre pressures; 4) screen washer bottle water level; 5) brake fluid levels and 6) power steering oil reservoir ......... takes 5 minutes .... and can help avoid this sort of nightmare ....

mdbrich · 07-01-2010, 10:25 PM

Everyplace I go usually shows you the dipstick at Full.. After that its up to you

Sibze · 07-01-2010, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mdbrich

Everyplace I go usually shows you the dipstick at Full.. After that its up to you

That’s a good point! My winter beater goes to the place that has a sale when it needs an oil change and most places always show the dipstick. Funny the dealer doesn't do this!

Maybe that’s a best practice for all of us; always have them show you the dipstick before leaving!

Zaggeron · 07-01-2010, 10:30 PM

Or check it yourself before you leave the premises ... either way. But really, no insult to OP, I wouldn't let a car wash joint *wash* my Z much less touch the engine.

kenchan · 07-01-2010, 10:57 PM

you will be amazed how a lot of guys dont know how to check oil level...

AK370Z · 07-01-2010, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DakillaZ

i have no idea why my thread was closed!!

Why was it closed? Because it was going off topic and you were making comments such as these

Quote:

Originally Posted by DakillaZ

sukk mii ballss hows that for spelling

Quote:

Originally Posted by DakillaZ

lmaoooooo seriously this is why i hate fourms cause *** wholes like him

You're on a internet forum. You must have thick skin. If you don't, then these forum are NOT for you. Also, you have to understand, we can't SEE, HEAR or TALK to you. The ONLY way we can try to draw a picture of you, is the way you type or express yourself. (that's about it!). In future, if you're going to reopen a closed topic, please come to me first. Chances are I'll reopen the previous thread.

There is a BIG hole in your story. Either a. You're NOT telling us the real story or B. You have no clue what's going on (or happened). 5 1/8 Quart of oil just doesn't disappear easily. Something must have happen at the shop you get your oil change done. Chances are they didn't put enough oil as the tech got distracted. You're 1 out of 10,000+ 370Z owners. This is why you are getting this look

from the members. I check my oil level every two weeks. Not because I drive a new car but it's my habit. EVERY single dam car I owned, I checked oil and brake fluid EVERY two weeks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z

Dakilla,

I'm not saying yea or nay, but you can add a great deal of credence to your incident by simply uploading a pic of your service sheet from the Nissan dealership (even if it's the one they gave you when you admitted your Z) so members can see it. You can also scan and blackout important data such as names, and the like, but leave enough information showing that validates your case.

Losing 5 1/8 of oil is a lot and believe me the tale-tale signs will show even if a little to the entire volume of oil leaving the engine. The tailpipe tips, and the rear bumper will exhibit signs on a slow burn and even if the rings went you would notice black smoke bellowing in your rearview mirror and someone behind you would have alerted you if you didn't. Our 370Z gets its oil checked after each drive about an hour later when it comes to rest in our garage. If you were changing your own oil you might have stripped the oil drain plug if not torque correctly or by using an air tool versus a hand tool, but the dealership can determine that too. Good luck on the outcome....hopefully, it is in your favor.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple's

Lack of simple maintenance on your part, got you were you are. Had you been more careful in checking your basic fluids and not relying on an Idiot light, You could have probably saved your motor, Oil doesn't disappear from one day to the next. I have no sympathy. You're learning an expensive lesson for not paying attention to your Car.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sibze

When I take my car to a professional (I cannot comment on where he took is car as I don't know the place) I would hope its done right. I know our car is a big investment and it is something I personally would want to look at every time I get my oil changed however, some people do not have any mechanical knowledge and need to rely on these "Professionals" that they do things right. If the OP was a 90 year old grandmother would you feel the same way? “You should have checked your oil level.”

There's nothing wrong with getting your oil changes at 3rd party or Nissan dealer. BUT one must check their dipstick before leaving their lot. If I was given a dime EVERY time my dealer overfilled or under filled my 350Z, I'd probably buy free lunches for the all forum members!

I usually check the dipstick and have them fix it right there then. I'm surprised not only OP NEVER checked the dipstick at the third party oil change place, he never even checked it in the 3 month period!

I'll share a story real quick. One of my friend has a Mazda 6 and she always gets the oil changed at Jiffy Lube (3rd party oil). Jiffy lube f*cks up and forgets to tighten her drain plug. Car loses all oil and engine seizes. She goes back to dealer asking for a new engine. Guess what they told her? A big NO. If your 3rd party ruins your car, THEY will pay for the damages NOT Nissan. In this case, Jiffy Lube DID end up paying for the WHOLE repair.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DakillaZ

i changed my oil every 4000 miles did everything in the book its not my fault the oil light didnt come upp i have pappers to prove my oilchanges. it iss indeed nissans fault not mine ...but even when they give me a new engine im goin to get a lemon lawyer .

You have papers to prove the oil changes, that doesn't mean anything. It'll prove that you did your oil changes on time. But if their tech F*cks up, it won't be written on that invoice. So, let me get this right, the 3rd party oil change place f*cks up on their end. Nissan USA goes out of their way and give you a brand new engine. You still want to sue Nissan? wow, congratulations

. You're my NEW hero!

PapoZalsa · 07-01-2010, 11:14 PM

Again, this thread is going like the first one!

IBTL

Trips · 07-01-2010, 11:17 PM

It's been a little more civilized than the last one. lol

07-01-2010, 08:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
SoCal 370Z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: US of A Posts: 2,842 Drives: Answers Rep Power: 34	Dakilla, I'm not saying yea or nay, but you can add a great deal of credence to your incident by simply uploading a pic of your service sheet from the Nissan dealership (even if it's the one they gave you when you admitted your Z) so members can see it. You can also scan and blackout important data such as names, and the like, but leave enough information showing that validates your case. Losing 5 1/8 of oil is a lot and believe me the tale-tale signs will show even if a little to the entire volume of oil leaving the engine. The tailpipe tips, and the rear bumper will exhibit signs on a slow burn and even if the rings went you would notice black smoke bellowing in your rearview mirror and someone behind you would have alerted you if you didn't. Our 370Z gets its oil checked after each drive about an hour later when it comes to rest in our garage. If you were changing your own oil you might have stripped the oil drain plug if not torque correctly or by using an air tool versus a hand tool, but the dealership can determine that too. Good luck on the outcome....hopefully, it is in your favor. __________________ ( Click to show/hide ) Why I NEVER say NO to the Panda Lou Fusz!!!

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Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 419	The knocking you are describing is probably rod knock -- meaning that due to improper oiling, the bearings were toasted, and bam -- dead motor. This leads me to believe either: (1) Faulty motor -- possible, but the lack of oil begs the question of where it went... (2) oil pump or oil pickup failed -- again, possible, but then we'd see evidence of a destroyed oil pump gear or something major blocking the pick up in the pan -- again where is the oil? (3) Seriously fvcked engine from improper ring sealing due to incorrect break in/poor build -- possible, but it's hard to imagine all the oil went into blowby and you would have been way down on compression and therefore power (4) Oil leak or oil was never put back in -- the pistons and rods are coated with a dry lubricant film (I believe), so yes, it is actually possible that you had hardly any oil in there and it held together for a while before breaking -- highly unlikely, but not impossible. (5) A combination -- not enough oil was put in, you were burning what little there was from improper ring sealing, etc. finally insufficient lubrication led to toasted bearings. Get a lawyer. And a leakdown test/teardown. __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it. Last edited by Jordo!; 07-01-2010 at 09:09 PM.

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Zaggeron A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,951 Drives: '10 370ZR '13 BRZ Rep Power: 19	Or check it yourself before you leave the premises ... either way. But really, no insult to OP, I wouldn't let a car wash joint wash my Z much less touch the engine. __________________ 2010 Platinum Graphite 370z Roadster:Touring/Sport 2013 Subaru BRZ Limited

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BGTV8 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: 03350 Australia Posts: 1,515 Drives: 09 Nissan 370Z M6 Rep Power: 39974	PEBCAK .... and if you need to figure it out, go to acronyms finder dictionary and abreviations finder dictionary - acronyms and abreviations list, definitions and funny acronyms from medical, military, army, training, business, internet, and emails. and I am sure you will find lots of other acronyms that may well apply. If there is no oil in the sump, either there never was any oil in the sump from the last time it was drained (and not refilled - either partially or completely), or it has been burned and the exhaust pipes will show oil traces, or it leaked out and there will be oil traces under the vehicle. The only other option is leprechauns .... but since you-awl are in the good ole YewSay, I think I can safely rule them out ... So you are left with only 3 options ... and if there is no oil on the underside the car, and no trace of oil in the exhaust system, there is only one explanation .... an incompletely filled sump after the last oil change. The fact that there was no low oil pressure warning light needs to be investgated as the electrical connector from the oil pressure switch, or the oil pressure switch itself may have failed. I would go see a member of the legal profession ..... and consult an independent mechanic to check the circuitry to the oil pressure sender and the sender itself. The other lesson - get into the habit of a simple weekly check: 1) oil dipstick, 2) radiator water level in the overflow tank; 3) tyre pressures; 4) screen washer bottle water level; 5) brake fluid levels and 6) power steering oil reservoir ......... takes 5 minutes .... and can help avoid this sort of nightmare ....

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