Hope Nissan is watching this...

WarmAndSCSI · 06-23-2010, 10:42 PM

Anyway, I'm tired of this dumb argument; I'll end it now. Hyundai is WAY behind the curve of producing a good sports car. 40+ years behind Nissan's curve. I would NEVER consider a Hyundai over a Nissan Z because of that. Nissan will always be ahead; plain and simple. You can't make up for 40 years of research, design, and motorsports experience. I absolutely love Mitsubishi cars, and if they came out with a new 2 door sports coupe I would consider it. Why? Because they would at least know what they're doing when it comes to building a track-ready sports car. They have a long history of doing so, even if it's been a long time since they produced a RWD sports car.

You can argue that I'd also say that a company on Koenigsegg has nothing on, say, Ferrari. But that's not true. Koenigsegg, (the new) Bugatti, Gumpert, Ascari etc. all have something to Ferrari that Hyundai does not have to Nissan. TONS and tons of money and time into R&D, and a true feeling of irrationality and soul about their cars. That's what a sports car is about. The Hyundai Genesis Coupe lacks that extreme level of R&D, and it even lacks the true intent to be tracked. The mere fact that it's marketed as having an extreme value for the money (read: is a cheap POS) shows that it's not a properly R&D'd sports car. It's honestly just been thrown together such that it sells well. We may have issues where Nissan cheaped out on an oil cooler, but the Hyundai Genesis Coupe wasn't even ready for road/track testing when it hit the states; it had severe performance issues until Hyundai sat back down at the drawing board to fix some alignment issues and ECU parameters. Those are two very core items that should have been flogged to death and discovered during internal testing @ Hyundai. That just goes to show how poorly the car was engineered from the start. It was built for nothing more than to look good on a spec sheet.

Emotiongear · 06-23-2010, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI

Anyway, I'm tired of this dumb argument; I'll end it now. Hyundai is WAY behind the curve of producing a good sports car. 40+ years behind Nissan's curve. I would NEVER consider a Hyundai over a Nissan Z because of that. Nissan will always be ahead; plain and simple. You can't make up for 40 years of research, design, and motorsports experience. I absolutely love Mitsubishi cars, and if they came out with a new 2 door sports coupe I would consider it. Why? Because they would at least know what they're doing when it comes to building a track-ready sports car. They have a long history of doing so, even if it's been a long time since they produced a RWD sports car.

You can argue that I'd also say that a company on Koenigsegg has nothing on, say, Ferrari. But that's not true. Koenigsegg, (the new) Bugatti, Gumpert, Ascari etc. all have something to Ferrari that Hyundai does not have to Nissan. TONS and tons of money and time into R&D, and a true feeling of irrationality and soul about their cars. That's what a sports car is about. The Hyundai Genesis Coupe lacks that extreme level of R&D, and it even lacks the true intent to be tracked. The mere fact that it's marketed as having an extreme value for the money (read: is a cheap POS) shows that it's not a properly R&D'd sports car. It's honestly just been thrown together such that it sells well. We may have issues where Nissan cheaped out on an oil cooler, but the Hyundai Genesis Coupe wasn't even ready for road/track testing when it hit the states; it had severe performance issues until Hyundai sat back down at the drawing board to fix some alignment issues and ECU parameters. Those are two very core items that should have been flogged to death and discovered during internal testing @ Hyundai. That just goes to show how poorly the car was engineered from the start. It was built for nothing more than to look good on a spec sheet.

Have you driven a Genesis?
I own a 2010 Z but the Genesis Coupe has been making more headlines that the Z lately. Something has to be done about this....

WarmAndSCSI · 06-24-2010, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Emotiongear

Have you driven a Genesis?
I own a 2010 Z but the Genesis Coupe has been making more headlines that the Z lately. Something has to be done about this....

I looked at a couple when I was purchasing my Evo X, but never test drove one. I was too turned off by the look and feel of the car, and the poorly-oriented interior to even bother. I've never once said it was a turd of a car, just that it's clearly nothing compared to a Z.

Hyundai has been dumping a boatload of cash into marketing. They've done a phenomenal job turning their brand image around; but only time will tell if their cars are actually better now. It's been well known for decades that almost all review magazines are sleeping with the manufacturers. And the initial quality ratings have been bogus for a long time. Not once have they ever taken into account that buyers of higher-end cars are generally more picky than those of lower-end cars.

CBRich · 06-24-2010, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI

Anyway, I'm tired of this dumb argument; I'll end it now. Hyundai is WAY behind the curve of producing a good sports car. 40+ years behind Nissan's curve. I would NEVER consider a Hyundai over a Nissan Z because of that. Nissan will always be ahead; plain and simple. You can't make up for 40 years of research, design, and motorsports experience.

WORST. LOGIC. EVER.

Ford started racing in 1901. Did you hear that correctly? 19 . . . 01. So the Z is about 70 years behind in racing pedigree. I guess it'll never catch up . . .

It's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about.

nicknick · 06-24-2010, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cbrich

worst. Logic. Ever.

Ford started racing in 1901. Did you hear that correctly? 19 . . . 01. So the z is about 70 years behind in racing pedigree. I guess it'll never catch up . . .

It's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about.

very obvious.

WarmAndSCSI · 06-25-2010, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by CBRich

WORST. LOGIC. EVER.

Ford started racing in 1901. Did you hear that correctly? 19 . . . 01. So the Z is about 70 years behind in racing pedigree. I guess it'll never catch up . . .

It's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about.

It's obvious you're just an ******* just wanting an argument.

I never said Hyundai won't be where Nissan is now in 10-20 years. I'm simply saying they cannot possibly pose as a true competitor right now because Nissan has approximately 30-40x more experience doing this. Nissan has had 40 years to catch up with everybody else and pull ahead in certain aspects. Hyundai has had 1.

Ford has HAD a car that is arguably a better sports car than Nissan has ever produced - the Ford GT. Your example actually supports what I have to say... And we can argue all day about the GT-R, but I'd much rather have the true driver's supercar that is the Ford GT.

It's your logic that is flawed. Don't put words in my mouth.

CBRich · 06-25-2010, 02:47 PM

I have no idea how old you WarmandSCSI but I can tell you now that you will do much better in this life with an open mind rather than the closed minded ignorance you have now. And I am done with this thread.

daisuke149 · 06-25-2010, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CBRich

I have no idea how old you WarmandSCSI but I can tell you now that you will do much better in this life with an open mind rather than the closed minded ignorance you have now. And I am done with this thread.

maybe cus he also owns an Evo. those guys have a horrid reputation about being closed minded arrogant douche's.

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06-23-2010, 10:42 PM	#1 (permalink)
WarmAndSCSI A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 1,671 Drives: '08 Evo X \| '10 370Z Rep Power: 20	Anyway, I'm tired of this dumb argument; I'll end it now. Hyundai is WAY behind the curve of producing a good sports car. 40+ years behind Nissan's curve. I would NEVER consider a Hyundai over a Nissan Z because of that. Nissan will always be ahead; plain and simple. You can't make up for 40 years of research, design, and motorsports experience. I absolutely love Mitsubishi cars, and if they came out with a new 2 door sports coupe I would consider it. Why? Because they would at least know what they're doing when it comes to building a track-ready sports car. They have a long history of doing so, even if it's been a long time since they produced a RWD sports car. You can argue that I'd also say that a company on Koenigsegg has nothing on, say, Ferrari. But that's not true. Koenigsegg, (the new) Bugatti, Gumpert, Ascari etc. all have something to Ferrari that Hyundai does not have to Nissan. TONS and tons of money and time into R&D, and a true feeling of irrationality and soul about their cars. That's what a sports car is about. The Hyundai Genesis Coupe lacks that extreme level of R&D, and it even lacks the true intent to be tracked. The mere fact that it's marketed as having an extreme value for the money (read: is a cheap POS) shows that it's not a properly R&D'd sports car. It's honestly just been thrown together such that it sells well. We may have issues where Nissan cheaped out on an oil cooler, but the Hyundai Genesis Coupe wasn't even ready for road/track testing when it hit the states; it had severe performance issues until Hyundai sat back down at the drawing board to fix some alignment issues and ECU parameters. Those are two very core items that should have been flogged to death and discovered during internal testing @ Hyundai. That just goes to show how poorly the car was engineered from the start. It was built for nothing more than to look good on a spec sheet.

06-25-2010, 02:47 PM	#7 (permalink)
CBRich A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SC Posts: 2,464 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 546	I have no idea how old you WarmandSCSI but I can tell you now that you will do much better in this life with an open mind rather than the closed minded ignorance you have now. And I am done with this thread.