Fun question for Auto guys

KillerBee370 · 06-03-2010, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

But Im with you on this one, I like crazy too. I dont mind the women throwing me on the bed or floor and saying she wants to rake control.

Remember that scene in Fight Club when Brad Pitt's character says "wanna finish her off"?

Yeah... it's kinda like that.

billydsz · 06-03-2010, 10:30 PM

Paddles!! Just like my racing wheel on the xbox360 and forza. The 370z feels pretty good in that game, very similar to the real thing, just no g's. lol.

Jordo! · 06-04-2010, 01:25 AM

Paddles.

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Originally Posted by DarkZide

autotragic noobs lol

What's tragic is that the 7AT is faster than the 6MT

SkyZ · 06-04-2010, 01:52 AM

man i hate it when they put upshift to push up. its so opposite to what ive done all along. u pull down to shift up, it just makes sense, specially under hard accel. and the opposite for braking

davids81 · 06-04-2010, 05:11 AM

I don't get it... so pushing "up" to upshift doesn't make sense??

But 2-3 shift has always been "up" for me...

BTW... if manuals were obsolete and inferior to the 7at technology, then why is the Nismo only available in 6MT??? Anniversary edition? Seems like Nissan has a soft spot for the old dead technology.

Jordo! · 06-04-2010, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by davids81

I don't get it... so pushing "up" to upshift doesn't make sense??

But 2-3 shift has always been "up" for me...

BTW... if manuals were obsolete and inferior to the 7at technology, then why is the Nismo only available in 6MT??? Anniversary edition? Seems like Nissan has a soft spot for the old dead technology.

I thought for go karts down is upshift...?

Probably because they figured that the people who spring for the Nismo model will also be the people for whom operating a clutch pedal is an essential part of driving (never mind all that steering, braking, and accelerating...).

In short, qualia. For some that trumps raw performance.

What would have been interesting is if they had offered the Nismo with the GT-R trans... would have driven up the price too much tho'.

KillerBee370 · 06-04-2010, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by davids81

I don't get it... so pushing "up" to upshift doesn't make sense??

In racing terms in a racecar on a track it doesn't make sense. With almost any sequential shifter (which is essentially what the "stick" becomes in a 7AT in manual mode) momentum plays a large part in shifting. While accelerating, momentum is forcing you "back" into your seat and hence, an "upshift" should be a simple pull on the stick to shift whereas while braking, all the momentum is being forced forward and intstead of fighting that momentum, it is easier at that point to simply "push" forward for a downshift.

As is the case with street cars with a "civilian" form of sequential shifter, I guess auto manufacturers figure up is up and down is down. As a track driver it makes me crazy but what can you do? Although my DD is not a performance car, it is an auto with paddles and this "sequential" shifter in "manual" mode.

I had actually considered putting a true sequential shifter in my 6MT but I haven't heard of anyone manufacturing the unit yet.

Jordo! · 06-04-2010, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by KillerBee370

In racing terms in a racecar on a track it doesn't make sense. With almost any sequential shifter (which is essentially what the "stick" becomes in a 7AT in manual mode) momentum plays a large part in shifting. While accelerating, momentum is forcing you "back" into your seat and hence, an "upshift" should be a simple pull on the stick to shift whereas while braking, all the momentum is being forced forward and intstead of fighting that momentum, it is easier at that point to simply "push" forward for a downshift.

As is the case with street cars with a "civilian" form of sequential shifter, I guess auto manufacturers figure up is up and down is down. As a track driver it makes me crazy but what can you do? Although my DD is not a performance car, it is an auto with paddles and this "sequential" shifter in "manual" mode.

I had actually considered putting a true sequential shifter in my 6MT but I haven't heard of anyone manufacturing the unit yet.

Heard of these guys? Paddle Shifters, Sequential and Electronic - ASaP

I think they can set up something like this for any trans -- buddy of mine had this done for his Lotus -- works great.

antman22 · 06-04-2010, 10:41 AM

paddles, allows me to keep hands on wheel.

Push370zzz · 06-04-2010, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

Heard of these guys? Paddle Shifters, Sequential and Electronic - ASaP

I think they can set up something like this for any trans -- buddy of mine had this done for his Lotus -- works great.

That is sweet, but how much?

Vegitto-kun · 06-04-2010, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by KillerBee370

In racing terms in a racecar on a track it doesn't make sense. With almost any sequential shifter (which is essentially what the "stick" becomes in a 7AT in manual mode) momentum plays a large part in shifting. While accelerating, momentum is forcing you "back" into your seat and hence, an "upshift" should be a simple pull on the stick to shift whereas while braking, all the momentum is being forced forward and intstead of fighting that momentum, it is easier at that point to simply "push" forward for a downshift.

As is the case with street cars with a "civilian" form of sequential shifter, I guess auto manufacturers figure up is up and down is down. As a track driver it makes me crazy but what can you do? Although my DD is not a performance car, it is an auto with paddles and this "sequential" shifter in "manual" mode.

I had actually considered putting a true sequential shifter in my 6MT but I haven't heard of anyone manufacturing the unit yet.

I honestly still don't see the problem. its not like your hand flies into the back when accelerating so what is the problem with the "up"shift?

I know plenty of people who bash these type of stuff because "racing drivers do it"

I know people who shake around their steering wheel while turning because they see F1 drivers do it.

Jordo! · 06-04-2010, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by smashwebs

That is sweet, but how much?

Looks like $3 grand in the box -- see further this thread for details moremonkey.com • View topic - Ronin Sequential Shifter...

All things considered, not unreasonable.

SkyZ · 06-04-2010, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegitto-kun

I honestly still don't see the problem. its not like your hand flies into the back when accelerating so what is the problem with the "up"shift?

I know plenty of people who bash these type of stuff because "racing drivers do it"

I know people who shake around their steering wheel while turning because they see F1 drivers do it.

haha the problem is habits, my habit is to pull back to up shift and push forward to down.

its like playing a fps game and having the vertical axis inverted.

JACKPAC · 06-04-2010, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by davids81

BTW... if manuals were obsolete and inferior to the 7at technology, then why is the Nismo only available in 6MT??? Anniversary edition? Seems like Nissan has a soft spot for the old dead technology.

Nostagia maybe. Both the Nismo and the 40th are slower than the 7AT

Nick911sc · 06-04-2010, 01:00 PM

The tiptronic in my BMW is pull to upshift push to downshift.

I don't use it much anymore since I have the 6MT in my Z though. Can't really compare the two feelings lol

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davids81 Base Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Modesto, Ca. Posts: 26 Drives: Callaway Rep Power: 15	I don't get it... so pushing "up" to upshift doesn't make sense?? But 2-3 shift has always been "up" for me... BTW... if manuals were obsolete and inferior to the 7at technology, then why is the Nismo only available in 6MT??? Anniversary edition? Seems like Nissan has a soft spot for the old dead technology. __________________ -I think your powdercoated wheels look ricey!!

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billydsz Enthusiast Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: New Bern Posts: 252 Drives: 9 370z SptCp SRd 7AT Rep Power: 15	Paddles!! Just like my racing wheel on the xbox360 and forza. The 370z feels pretty good in that game, very similar to the real thing, just no g's. lol.

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SkyZ Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 382 Drives: 09 370z PG M6 Rep Power: 15	man i hate it when they put upshift to push up. its so opposite to what ive done all along. u pull down to shift up, it just makes sense, specially under hard accel. and the opposite for braking

06-04-2010, 10:41 AM	#24 (permalink)
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Nick911sc A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 1,698 Drives: 2010 Nissan GT-R Rep Power: 20	The tiptronic in my BMW is pull to upshift push to downshift. I don't use it much anymore since I have the 6MT in my Z though. Can't really compare the two feelings lol