Fun question for Auto guys

DarkZide

autotragic noobs lol

Jordo!

Paddles.

What's tragic is that the 7AT is faster than the 6MT

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SkyZ

man i hate it when they put upshift to push up. its so opposite to what ive done all along. u pull down to shift up, it just makes sense, specially under hard accel. and the opposite for braking

davids81

I don't get it... so pushing "up" to upshift doesn't make sense??


But 2-3 shift has always been "up" for me...


BTW... if manuals were obsolete and inferior to the 7at technology, then why is the Nismo only available in 6MT??? Anniversary edition? Seems like Nissan has a soft spot for the old dead technology.

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Jordo!

I thought for go karts down is upshift...?

Probably because they figured that the people who spring for the Nismo model will also be the people for whom operating a clutch pedal is an essential part of driving (never mind all that steering, braking, and accelerating...).

In short, qualia. For some that trumps raw performance.

What would have been interesting is if they had offered the Nismo with the GT-R trans... would have driven up the price too much tho'.

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KillerBee370

In racing terms in a racecar on a track it doesn't make sense. With almost any sequential shifter (which is essentially what the "stick" becomes in a 7AT in manual mode) momentum plays a large part in shifting. While accelerating, momentum is forcing you "back" into your seat and hence, an "upshift" should be a simple pull on the stick to shift whereas while braking, all the momentum is being forced forward and intstead of fighting that momentum, it is easier at that point to simply "push" forward for a downshift.

As is the case with street cars with a "civilian" form of sequential shifter, I guess auto manufacturers figure up is up and down is down. As a track driver it makes me crazy but what can you do? Although my DD is not a performance car, it is an auto with paddles and this "sequential" shifter in "manual" mode.

I had actually considered putting a true sequential shifter in my 6MT but I haven't heard of anyone manufacturing the unit yet.

Jordo!

Heard of these guys? Paddle Shifters, Sequential and Electronic - ASaP

I think they can set up something like this for any trans -- buddy of mine had this done for his Lotus -- works great.

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Push370zzz

That is sweet, but how much?

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Vegitto-kun

I honestly still don't see the problem. its not like your hand flies into the back when accelerating so what is the problem with the "up"shift?

I know plenty of people who bash these type of stuff because "racing drivers do it"

I know people who shake around their steering wheel while turning because they see F1 drivers do it.

SkyZ

haha the problem is habits, my habit is to pull back to up shift and push forward to down.

its like playing a fps game and having the vertical axis inverted.

KillerBee370

Maybe not with your Z.

That was a joke but I have to address your other comments because it was spoken like someone that has never been to a track and hasn't felt the subtleties of steering feedback while cornering.

First of all, I'm not saying that I'm a "racing driver" but I do have quite a bit of track time under my belt and I consider myself a pretty good driver who knows a thing or two about feedback from the car and how to register it while behind the wheel. So bashing? No. Pracitcality? Yes.

As for "shaking the steering wheel around", small, very fast adjustments are usually (or should be) taking place while one is cornering as they are feeling where grip is beggining to become an issue while on track when you are pushing your car to it's grip limits. It was said that Colin Mcrae moved his hands to make just such adjustments so fast you could hardly see his hands move. And I'm not talking about in the dirt either.

Anyway to make a long story short, I wasn't bashing. But I don't expect you to know the difference anyhow.

JACKPAC

Nostagia maybe. Both the Nismo and the 40th are slower than the 7AT

Nick911sc

The tiptronic in my BMW is pull to upshift push to downshift.

I don't use it much anymore since I have the 6MT in my Z though. Can't really compare the two feelings lol