Deciding between s2000 and 370z.

Nick911sc

Yea, I'm in agreement with Red on this one. If people were running those numbers on stock internals the S2k would NOT be out of production.

InTheZone

stock internals:
Video: Smoking Hot 701-WHP Turbocharged Honda S2000 - Carscoop

here's a link to the first video to the above link since the initial site wouldn't let me click on anything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emwrIVZ9gA4

and just to rub it in, not sure what engine mods it has, but still:
YouTube - InlinePRO S2000 Wheel Stand - north carolina

mrcardio

I've driven both S2k / 370Z and didn't feel like the 07' S2k (AP2) was really lacking in power at all. The S2K actually didn't feel much if any slower and was more fun to drive vs. the 370Z. The 370Z's suspension doesn't seem as stiff so I'd imagine it might make for a better DD / road trip car. I'm trying to decide between the two my self. It's really hard to resist not getting an S2k now especially considering they're selling for so cheap with so few miles. For 20k you can get one in great condition with fewer than 20k miles. Then you could add a turbo / supercharger kit (5-6k) and the sky's the limit. For around 25k you got one badass car. Not saying the 370z isn’t nice or anything just looking at options and there's no denying the S2k is one hell of a proven / blast to drive sports car.

I love the driver focussed cockpit:

Red370

ok, im not debating that it made the power, however, that engine will not hold that power for more than a week, its a dyno queen and thats it, the F20C engine has cast rods, they will not stand up to that kind of force, its not physically possible. You can show me videos all day long, I want to see that car do 5 back to back passes on the strip and see how it fares, my guess, destroyed block.

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InTheZone

so people that have 10k+ miles on their S2000(AP1's and AP2's) with a turbo setup running 400-500whp as a DD can only do that for a week, otherwise it would be broken? ok

s2000 engines have forged internals, which includes the rods. The biggest problem has to do with compression, not the rod snapping because of too much "force'.

And whoever compared a civic to a 370, then said it was the same as comparing the s2000 to the 370, wow...

Some people, not saying you Red, need to relax and stop getting worked up for no reason.

I won't add more since some are stubborn and choose not to accept what was proven.

mrcardio

This true, why some try to claim otherwise is pure ignorance. The F22C is a very stout motor.

red6spd

Those S2K's were sick in those vids, but 23 pounds ouch!!!! Honda or not I cant see that car living that long. Then only thing I figure is 99% of the time he is running around with 8 pounds and only cranks it up to run a bike or something crazy like that.

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Red370

that kind of power cannot be sustained on stock internals, probably runs very low boost everywhere BUT the dyno.

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Red__Zed

There's a couple guys that ran 700whp on stock internals for a while.

I ran 550whp on stock internals for over 100 drag passes and quite a few miles on the street. On teardown, the engine looked pristine.

Zeto

The point is Red370, that a boosted 370 is no match for a boosted S2K. Thanks my fellow members for showing him the light

Red370

and what exactly is your logic behind this? because one dyno queen S2000 had a solid pull? c'mon man really?

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Zeto

No, the point is that you said a boosted S cannot beat a boosted Z all things beng equal.

First you said it couldn't do it. Now you say it can beat the Z but only once. I have 2 of my personal friends that DAILY drive 700+whp S2K's with stock internals. I have done my research and witnessed this personally, have you?

Red370

two friends eh?



agree to disagree.

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tbonesteak

wow.....once you have civic drivers chiming in, thread goes to crap. Repeatedly. I owned an s2k and i was very involved with the crowd. I know the car literally 10 times more than i know the Z in every area. There is NO way you're gonna safely run 300 wtq for prolonged periods of time with stock internals and block. That 700whp vid is old. The owner did it solely for fun knowing the engine was gonna go. His plan was to rebuild it and make that much power reliably, but before doing it, he wanted to have some fun and see what kind of power the f20c could sustain. Just because it made that for a week or two don't mean it will run continuously. Come on people. Compare apples to apples. In terms of power, both stock and modified, the Z is NOT in the same league as the S. Like i admitted in a previous post, the S is an extremely well engineered piece of machinery. Maybe even one of the best engineered cars ever. However, the car was made in 1995 including the engine, drivetrain, chassis, etc. and it shows age. Admit certain things and give credit where it deserves people.

Zeto

Very well said.

And yes I said 2 of my friends because I saw them first hand build it from the ground up. It's all about the tune that can make or break the car. Have you heard of Jeff Evans out in PA? If you haven't, I suggest you google him.