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Old 05-28-2010, 09:46 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Well the MPG you see from Car & Driver and other magazine tester’s is a result of constant flogging of the vehicle. It's the same with pretty much any car they test. The Vette gets commendable MPG because of it's great power to weight ratio but of course you're going to get **** MPG if you drive like a mad man everywhere just like any other vehicle.

Older folks drive vettes? So what, why let stereotypes push you away from having a really nice sports car? And even though the design is a bit old it still looks fantastic in my opinion and I would think most people think the same if you happen to be worried about what others think. The only thing I’d be worry about is the insurance; I hear it’s quite high for vettes.
I just got a quote from my insurance agent...

My insurance will go up a whole $4.22 every 6mo over the Z.

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[QUOTE=kannibul;553973]I just got a quote from my insurance agent...

My insurance will go up a whole $4.22 every 6mo over the Z.

lol![/QUOTE

Wow that wouldn't be an issue then.
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Well the MPG you see from Car & Driver and other magazine tester’s is a result of constant flogging of the vehicle. It's the same with pretty much any car they test. The Vette gets commendable MPG because of it's great power to weight ratio but of course you're going to get **** MPG if you drive like a mad man everywhere just like any other vehicle.

Older folks drive vettes? So what, why let stereotypes push you away from having a really nice sports car? And even though the design is a bit old it still looks fantastic in my opinion and I would think most people think the same if you happen to be worried about what others think. The only thing I’d be worry about is the insurance; I hear it’s quite high for vettes.
First, let me just say I love Corvettes. And you are spot on about the high insurance costs. Agreed, C&D will flog the vehicle, but that's not happening constantly. And my opinion is that we flog the vehicle on occasion as well, so I usually agree with C&D's "observed mpg" numbers.
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TT&L is around 2K (at least that's what I'm budgetting for) - 2K out of pocket is more than I'd like to spend just about anything - I had the same "problem" when I bought our Civic, the Z, my truck...I hate paying for TT&L, but it's unavoidable...short of not titling it...which means not driving it...

As for the deal itself, I think what they are doing is inflating the Z's value over what they would normally give, instead of dropping the price on the vette. Personally, I'd rather they not, since a lower price on the vehicle means less TT&L.
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Don't pay MSRP for the vette. Some dealers are giving them away. Go here: Corvette C6 - C1 Reviews, Performance, Parts For Sale - CorvetteForum.com and look at the forum dealers. I know a guy who got a 4LT for less than that 1LT. If if was me... I'd go at least 2LT. 1LT is missing a few airbags :O Also, mag suspension>>>> Z51 (personal experience as well as performance testing).
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Ive seen the 2LT for 42K on USAA and that is not talking about the trade in. Thats 5K under invoice with the incentives and 8,800k below MSRP. Im sure you can get that even without going thru USAA as they are still hurting in sales and money. I would talk that price before talking the trade in.

42K for a 2lt does make things tempting.
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My buddy has a C6 Z06. VERY NICE. I contiplated a Z06 before I pitted the Exige against the Z. I am almost done with my mods on the Z. Naturally the Z is not as fast in a straight line, but I was looking for a great looking and fun car. With my mods, I love my Z much more than my buddies Z06 (he does also).

In the end, do what makes you feel good and right without killing yourself financially. You will not be going wrong with either choice IMO.
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Please don't get the Camaro. I don't think it's worth it. The car is fugly and has no sex appeal to it.
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Please don't get the Camaro. I don't think it's worth it. The car is fugly and has no sex appeal to it.
imo the design was ok when it was fresh. Now that my region is saturated with them, the look has worn thin on me. I test drove it against the Z before purchase. Loved the sound and feel of acceleration. Hated the "big boat" feel of it. Also, the interior trim of this particular brand new model was peeling from the dash. That's right, already falling apart.

Don't get me wrong, I could have bought the absolute base Camaro and modded the crap out of it for what I spent on the Z. But it just didn't feel right.
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imo the design was ok when it was fresh. Now that my region is saturated with them, the look has worn thin on me. I test drove it against the Z before purchase. Loved the sound and feel of acceleration. Hated the "big boat" feel of it. Also, the interior trim of this particular brand new model was peeling from the dash. That's right, already falling apart.

Don't get me wrong, I could have bought the absolute base Camaro and modded the crap out of it for what I spent on the Z. But it just didn't feel right.
The Camaro was pretty hot when concept photos were released... back in 2006. By the time they hit the streets the car already felt like it was 3 years old!!! Because it was!!!
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That's my biggest beef about the Camaro. It looks like a boat. I actually prefer the Challenger over the Camaro because it looks better, seems to reflect the original lines of the historical car, and doesn't look like it's been squished down the middle and bulging out the side.
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That's my biggest beef about the Camaro. It looks like a boat. I actually prefer the Challenger over the Camaro because it looks better, seems to reflect the original lines of the historical car, and doesn't look like it's been squished down the middle and bulging out the side.
I happen to like the camaro alot. Looks are completely subjective. But in my opinion. The camaro a G ride. Its the kinda car that says "u kno wat? I don't giv a fu*k!" I rented twice so far. 2SS/auto/moonroof. The 2SS is a nice car. I couldn't do a 1SS for nothin. Night and day interiors though I feel the 2SS can still use a few extra higher quality bits for its 36k-43k price tag. On my journeys in the camaro I got nearly 23 mpg's. Eibachs spring n sway set up has been proven to increase gas mileage by 13%. Eibach or KW3 suspensions dramatically increase performance on the camaro. In my opinion, the camaro is a great modders car. With true results after modding. Bolt ons alone bring the car from a 13 second car to a 11.9 second car on the quarter. As I mentioned before. Its biggest weakness is its incredible width. On the flipside it has impeccable handling so combine that with true driving skills and the camaro is a winner. It just needs the suspension mods "No Question".
As far as the vette. Its gotta be the GS. Any other base vette is worthless. The GS adds 4k to the price but pretty much gives it Z06ish handling. Kannibul if u go for the vette? Bust your butt on a GS deal. Oh see if u can rent one from hertz or an exotic shop. Spend a whole day in it. See if its really what you want before giving up the Z. In the long term, the Z may provide more overall fun???

The camaro and corvette are and definately will be very common cars. Exclusivity is overrated in the car world. I mean, nobody wants mustang commonality, but when something stirs your soul, you just gotta do it.
Slightly off the subject... what angers me about mustang is, they only update sheetmatal but keep raising prices on the car. They take the same engine and make the most minor of updates for like 20 years (up until 2011). And they still using live axle. I can't believe they get over 25k for a GT. Its ridiculous. 2011 is a much better car. But if the 2012 mustang has a live. Axle. Somebody please... blow up the plant. Lol.


No one blow up the plant. Its just a figure of speech. Lol
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That's my biggest beef about the Camaro. It looks like a boat. I actually prefer the Challenger over the Camaro because it looks better, seems to reflect the original lines of the historical car, and doesn't look like it's been squished down the middle and bulging out the side.
I agree on the looks of the Challenger, it's gorgeous. Yet all the comparos are trashing it's brutal handling. You'd think the company that makes the Viper could have made the car go around a corner
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Before I bought the Z I drove a brand new jet stream blue model with Z51 2LT I think. The car was nice but the interior was horrible, there was water in both headlights! I don't think I've ever seen anybody under age 55 driving one.
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