Comparison the z to a vette

shadoquad · 06-17-2010, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by j.arnaldo

A bit on the side, guys: The forum was created to vent our opinions regarding our likes/dislikes concerning vehicles. When I post something--anything--it's not to stir up things; just to express my feel about a given subject. So, as far as I'm concerned, if Vette owners are glad with their choice, GREAT! If Z owners are glad with theirs, GREAT! We're all happy campers! Whatever ride you own, be a happy camper! No problemo!

It's cool, I like these discussions, too! I hope I wasn't too snarky, because I liked our back 'n' forth.

PapoZalsa · 06-17-2010, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by j.arnaldo

A bit on the side, guys: The forum was created to vent our opinions regarding our likes/dislikes concerning vehicles. When I post something--anything--it's not to stir up things; just to express my feel about a given subject. So, as far as I'm concerned, if Vette owners are glad with their choice, GREAT! If Z owners are glad with theirs, GREAT! We're all happy campers! Whatever ride you own, be a happy camper! No problemo!

I will agreed with that. There is people in this forum that thinks they know everything and their opinion is the only one that counts.

Plus a lot of people are here only to stir things up and insult other people to glorify themselves.

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-18-2010, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by PapoZalsa

I will agreed with that. There is people in this forum that thinks they know everything and their opinion is the only one that counts.

Plus a lot of people are here are only to stir things up and insult other people to glorify themselves.

+2 I totally agree with you there. Mad insecure people on here. The insults on here are truly getting boring.

BrianMSmith · 06-18-2010, 02:12 PM

I am no longer lusting for a vette - or any other car, now that I own the Z - satisfied customer. I do love the quality of the Z interior, and the refinement of the steering and handling. These are the most important things for me. I miss the torque and connection to the engine that I had in my Camaro SS - in the Z the engine feels too disconnected from the driver, and like others have posted - the clutch in the Z is aweful, no feel whatsoever and it's not smooth. The Z is absolutely devastating on twisty canyon and mountain roads, due to the steering and refinement of the chassis - I doubt there is any car at any price that could do much better.

Zsteve · 06-18-2010, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianMSmith

I am no longer lusting for a vette - or any other car, now that I own the Z - satisfied customer. I do love the quality of the Z interior, and the refinement of the steering and handling. These are the most important things for me. I miss the torque and connection to the engine that I had in my Camaro SS - in the Z the engine feels too disconnected from the driver, and like others have posted - the clutch in the Z is aweful, no feel whatsoever and it's not smooth. The Z is absolutely devastating on twisty canyon and mountain roads, due to the steering and refinement of the chassis - I doubt there is any car at any price that could do much better.

I wouldnt bet on that if I were you. At any price the Z will get killed by high end cars meant for sports driving.

Robert_Nash · 06-24-2010, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

I wouldnt bet on that if I were you. At any price the Z will get killed by high end cars meant for sports driving.

What is your definition of "high end"?

What is your definition of "sports driving"?

Those aren't rhetorical questions; the definitions make a difference.

There are plenty of "high end" cars (and I would suggest that all likely cost considerably more than a Z) that will do some things better and in some cases, do some things much better than a Z but so what???

If someone has the the money for a GT-R or a ZR1 or perhaps a Lambo or Ferrari or GT2 then they, by all means, they should go out and buy them and enjoy them but comparing them to a Z that costs thousands (sometimes tens and sometimes hundreds of thousands) less seems rather pointless.

Endgame · 06-18-2010, 06:06 PM

My buddy that has a Z06 just told me he is selling it for a Z.....

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-24-2010, 08:05 AM

Show me a GM vehicle and I will show you some form of electrical and chassis alignment issues.

Zsteve · 06-24-2010, 11:30 AM

your the one that said "I doubt there is any car at any price that could do much better." and I just said yes there are.

ImportConvert · 08-25-2010, 01:31 AM

I don't own a Z or a 'vette, but my former roommate owned a 2004 C5.

It had a few quirks. It was quick--about like the WS6 I used to own--which was a total pile.

I rode in his 'vette on occasion. It was decent. Had a sqeak here and there.

I traded my 2001 WS6 for a 2002 G20. I used to be completely in the domestic camp, having owned mustangs and F-bodies and the like. Well I got this little 2002 Infiniti G20, and it had a few issues. MOtor-mounts, etc. With 100K miles I expected it.

It had one electrical issue--ignition component, $50 and 20 minutes of my time to replace.

It had maintenance issues--valve-cover gasket (likes to go out on those cars), cabin filtration system (IT HAS ONE! WOW!), etc. etc. Just tiny things.

One thing I noticed though was how solid it is. How well designed it is. Those metal lines under the hood are coated with something to prevent rust. Etc. etc. It's not so much how it was put togather, it is that it is designed with the thought that it should look and feel and run well AFTER it leaves the lot, not just for 1-3 months sitting up and a test-drive.

A perfect example is the 370 'vert I rode in tonight. WE took it over hella rough roads. BAD stuff. I cringed. It didn't even waver. No creak AT ALL. No cowl shake. Nothing. Performed about like my Trans Am did in the acceleration department. The refinement was amazing. Car had about 10K miles on it alread, and the owner dogged the hell out of it regularly he said.

No, it's not all-out as fast as some of the cars I have been in and played with, but it was definitely peppy, the interior was VERY VERY NICE, and it felt IDENTICAL to the one I drove with 5-10 miles or whatever at a dealer a while back.

It is a different car than the 'vette. I am torn between which to buy, myself--a car no faster than what I used to drive, but inifitely nicer, or a car that is about the same, but hella fast. Decisions--they suck. Different cars, though. I would much rather take a girl out in the Z than in a 'Vette, though, as far as comfort and having a good time (regardless of image, etc. I think the girl would ask "What was that creaking?" A lot less).

Zsteve · 08-25-2010, 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I don't own a Z or a 'vette, but my former roommate owned a 2004 C5.

It had a few quirks. It was quick--about like the WS6 I used to own--which was a total pile.

I rode in his 'vette on occasion. It was decent. Had a sqeak here and there.

I traded my 2001 WS6 for a 2002 G20. I used to be completely in the domestic camp, having owned mustangs and F-bodies and the like. Well I got this little 2002 Infiniti G20, and it had a few issues. MOtor-mounts, etc. With 100K miles I expected it.

It had one electrical issue--ignition component, $50 and 20 minutes of my time to replace.

It had maintenance issues--valve-cover gasket (likes to go out on those cars), cabin filtration system (IT HAS ONE! WOW!), etc. etc. Just tiny things.

One thing I noticed though was how solid it is. How well designed it is. Those metal lines under the hood are coated with something to prevent rust. Etc. etc. It's not so much how it was put togather, it is that it is designed with the thought that it should look and feel and run well AFTER it leaves the lot, not just for 1-3 months sitting up and a test-drive.

A perfect example is the 370 'vert I rode in tonight. WE took it over hella rough roads. BAD stuff. I cringed. It didn't even waver. No creak AT ALL. No cowl shake. Nothing. Performed about like my Trans Am did in the acceleration department. The refinement was amazing. Car had about 10K miles on it alread, and the owner dogged the hell out of it regularly he said.

No, it's not all-out as fast as some of the cars I have been in and played with, but it was definitely peppy, the interior was VERY VERY NICE, and it felt IDENTICAL to the one I drove with 5-10 miles or whatever at a dealer a while back.

It is a different car than the 'vette. I am torn between which to buy, myself--a car no faster than what I used to drive, but inifitely nicer, or a car that is about the same, but hella fast. Decisions--they suck. Different cars, though. I would much rather take a girl out in the Z than in a 'Vette, though, as far as comfort and having a good time (regardless of image, etc. I think the girl would ask "What was that creaking?" A lot less).

Now you do realize you are comparing a 2010 car to 2001 and 2002 cars? So the new 2010 2011vette is way better than the 2004 one in all areas so you probably need to ride in one now to get a good comparison. Most cars come a long way from models from 5 years ago or more.

ImportConvert · 08-25-2010, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

Now you do realize you are comparing a 2010 car to 2001 and 2002 cars? So the new 2010 2011vette is way better than the 2004 one in all areas so you probably need to ride in one now to get a good comparison. Most cars come a long way from models from 5 years ago or more.

Been there, done that. Rode in a friend's '08 Vert C6. It was fast, yes, but it had noticable cowl-shake and there were at least 2 different "creaks" I could hear, and this going over MUCH BETTER! pavement than we took the Z on last night. The C6 had 8,XXX miles, was a show-car/garage-queen (hence why I couldn't drive it, his insurance forbid it).

My friend's C5 felt a bit more solid if I recall.

The LS3 definitely has more juevos than the Z, but in every other department the C6 failed to impress me.

I am stuck. Do I want a fast car, or do I want a well-made car? Honestly? I want both--for under/equal 60K MSRP. I don't think it can happen.

Zsteve · 08-25-2010, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Been there, done that. Rode in a friend's '08 Vert C6. It was fast, yes, but it had noticable cowl-shake and there were at least 2 different "creaks" I could hear, and this going over MUCH BETTER! pavement than we took the Z on last night. The C6 had 8,XXX miles, was a show-car/garage-queen (hence why I couldn't drive it, his insurance forbid it).

My friend's C5 felt a bit more solid if I recall.

The LS3 definitely has more juevos than the Z, but in every other department the C6 failed to impress me.

I am stuck. Do I want a fast car, or do I want a well-made car? Honestly? I want both--for under/equal 60K MSRP. I don't think it can happen.

Audi S5

ImportConvert · 08-25-2010, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

Audi S5

Looks nice, but the automatic transmission and pathetic V8 nix it. I didn't know they even made V8's with less than 400bhp anymore.

Mythic · 08-25-2010, 06:43 AM

I had the chance to pick up a corvette (used) for the price i gave for my Z new. But what got me is the fact that i see vettes all day long, and there are only 2 370's here in Tifton, mine and my buddies. & the Nismo is much rarer...if i was going for shear speed, i would have kept my V10

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Mythic Base Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Live Oak Fl Posts: 223 Drives: 2010 Nismo 370Z Rep Power: 16	I had the chance to pick up a corvette (used) for the price i gave for my Z new. But what got me is the fact that i see vettes all day long, and there are only 2 370's here in Tifton, mine and my buddies. & the Nismo is much rarer...if i was going for shear speed, i would have kept my V10 __________________ *2010 Nismo 370z* - Magnetic Black, again *2009 Nismo* 370Z** SOLD

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ImportConvert A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SWMO Posts: 4,454 Drives: 2019 CX5 GT Reserve Rep Power: 7628	I don't own a Z or a 'vette, but my former roommate owned a 2004 C5. It had a few quirks. It was quick--about like the WS6 I used to own--which was a total pile. I rode in his 'vette on occasion. It was decent. Had a sqeak here and there. I traded my 2001 WS6 for a 2002 G20. I used to be completely in the domestic camp, having owned mustangs and F-bodies and the like. Well I got this little 2002 Infiniti G20, and it had a few issues. MOtor-mounts, etc. With 100K miles I expected it. It had one electrical issue--ignition component, $50 and 20 minutes of my time to replace. It had maintenance issues--valve-cover gasket (likes to go out on those cars), cabin filtration system (IT HAS ONE! WOW!), etc. etc. Just tiny things. One thing I noticed though was how solid it is. How well designed it is. Those metal lines under the hood are coated with something to prevent rust. Etc. etc. It's not so much how it was put togather, it is that it is designed with the thought that it should look and feel and run well AFTER it leaves the lot, not just for 1-3 months sitting up and a test-drive. A perfect example is the 370 'vert I rode in tonight. WE took it over hella rough roads. BAD stuff. I cringed. It didn't even waver. No creak AT ALL. No cowl shake. Nothing. Performed about like my Trans Am did in the acceleration department. The refinement was amazing. Car had about 10K miles on it alread, and the owner dogged the hell out of it regularly he said. No, it's not all-out as fast as some of the cars I have been in and played with, but it was definitely peppy, the interior was VERY VERY NICE, and it felt IDENTICAL to the one I drove with 5-10 miles or whatever at a dealer a while back. It is a different car than the 'vette. I am torn between which to buy, myself--a car no faster than what I used to drive, but inifitely nicer, or a car that is about the same, but hella fast. Decisions--they suck. Different cars, though. I would much rather take a girl out in the Z than in a 'Vette, though, as far as comfort and having a good time (regardless of image, etc. I think the girl would ask "What was that creaking?" A lot less).