Comparison the z to a vette

Lug · 05-28-2010, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rj45

My point was, if planned properly, Nissan could offer a Z with V8 power for a price similar to the Corvette's, and it would be an altogether nicer car. I wasn't suggesting Nissan take the current car and just drop a V8 into it, like a backyard mechanic. It's not uncommon for manufacturers to offer cars/trucks with both V6 and V8 power. Take the Mustang you mentioned. I realize design changes and certifications would be needed, but they're not monumental tasks.

Probably what Nissan is thinking is they don't want a two seat sports car in the $50K+ range. They're hard to sell and make money with. The GT-R is an expensive car, but it's a halo car for them, not a money maker. They want to make money with the Z. The Corvette's got a rare piece of the market.

IMO, Nissan wants to offer a car with performance and feel comparable to an entry level Porsche, but at a cheaper price...and that's what the Z does. Nissan probably worries that at $50K-$60K for a V8 Z, the buyer will gravitate to the Porsche, even with the Porsche's power disadvantage.

The bottom line is...if Nissan could build a quality V8 Z for Corvette money - and they could if they wanted to, IMO - GM can build a higher quality Corvette. At $55K for the average Corvette, the car should be better. Look at the nice little GTI VW sells for $25K. Tight as a drum with a high quality interior that puts the Corvette's to shame.

Corvettes can easily be picked up for 42k to 45K, full MSPR for a base Vette is only 48K. I don't know where you are getting $55K as average unless you are talking about the convertable.

nitromt · 05-28-2010, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rj45

My point was, if planned properly, Nissan could offer a Z with V8 power for a price similar to the Corvette's, and it would be an altogether nicer car. I wasn't suggesting Nissan take the current car and just drop a V8 into it, like a backyard mechanic. It's not uncommon for manufacturers to offer cars/trucks with both V6 and V8 power. Take the Mustang you mentioned. I realize design changes and certifications would be needed, but they're not monumental tasks.

Probably what Nissan is thinking is they don't want a two seat sports car in the $50K+ range. They're hard to sell and make money with. The GT-R is an expensive car, but it's a halo car for them, not a money maker. They want to make money with the Z. The Corvette's got a rare piece of the market.

IMO, Nissan wants to offer a car with performance and feel comparable to an entry level Porsche, but at a cheaper price...and that's what the Z does. Nissan probably worries that at $50K-$60K for a V8 Z, the buyer will gravitate to the Porsche, even with the Porsche's power disadvantage.

The bottom line is...if Nissan could build a quality V8 Z for Corvette money - and they could if they wanted to, IMO - GM can build a higher quality Corvette. At $55K for the average Corvette, the car should be better. Look at the nice little GTI VW sells for $25K. Tight as a drum with a high quality interior that puts the Corvette's to shame.

That clears it up.

It is true the Corvette's interior leaves much to be desired, but coming from the interior of the C5 to the C6 - no one is complaining too loudly.

As for Corvette pricing, we should really refer to forum venders at Corvette C6 - C1 Reviews, Performance, Parts For Sale - CorvetteForum.com. Places like Kerbeck Corvettes usually offers great deals.

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Mike · 05-27-2010, 05:20 PM

If you care about interior quality, GM does offer an interior with a full linen/leather wrap that is pretty darn nice.

Mike · 05-28-2010, 08:38 PM

yeah, MSRP is higher, but they are always selling new ones as low as 39-42 on the corvette forum. My Z stickered at 34, My C6 at 49. I didn't pay that much for either of them, although I did pay 15k more for the vette than the Z

j.arnaldo · 06-14-2010, 08:58 AM

Dear ShadowQuad: Try WALKING 2 miles in 114F-degree weather, and f-e-e-l the difference 2 miles can make, bro'! My main point is reliability, though. Now I MUST admit GM is--it appears--really trying to improve their vehicles, and go the old way of quality, vs mass-production. I hope our Nation gets back on her feet soon, including Ford, Chrysler and GM reliability in cars.

shadoquad · 06-14-2010, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by j.arnaldo

Dear ShadowQuad: Try WALKING 2 miles in 114F-degree weather, and f-e-e-l the difference 2 miles can make, bro'!

Have done, sir. Look, if that 2mpg difference makes the difference for you of abysmal vs. acceptable, then ok. I concede, that's your opinion. You've got every right to feel that way if considering the two cars for purchase.

My opinion is that in a 400+hp sports car, 21mpg isn't the worst I've ever seen, and I could probably live with it. My daily driver gets just over 200 peak hp and gets similar mileage, so in my mind, I could live with it.

That's why they make vanilla and chocolate ice cream, I suppose. Cause I'm right and you're wrong.

jk, to each their own, bro.

Pushing_Tin · 06-14-2010, 03:28 PM

Ask Kannibul!

Trips · 06-14-2010, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pushing_Tin

Ask Kannibul!

Who?

rmorrow · 06-14-2010, 07:41 PM

One of my friends has a vette (2009). We trade off driving to lunch a couple of times a week. You can definately feel the difference in power between the vette and my 370Z, but the vette rides really rough, and the seats are not comfortable at all. My buddy actually says that he likes my Z car better, and says that he wishes that he owned one now that the new has wore off his vette. The most important point he has made...the vettes are all over the place...a dime a dozen. He does not see many 370Z's running the roads in Houston. He likes the Z's body style much better than the vette. Pretty good stuff coming from a vette owner!

Lee123 · 06-14-2010, 10:49 PM

A couple days ago a woman and her husband pulled in next to me as I was about to leave a parking lot and she immediately asked how I like my car. After I told her how happy I am with it, she said she almost bought one but decided to get a 2008 Corvette instead. I asked her how she liked that and she said, "it's fun, but high maintenance" and went on to tell me it had some electrical problems. She didn't say it, but her tone of voice indicated she thought she made the wrong choice. I left there a bit puzzled about the fact that a 2008 car has electrical problems.

370Zsteve · 06-14-2010, 10:54 PM

The Z is much prettier than the Vette.

This thread can now be closed.

ImportConvert · 06-24-2010, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee123

A couple days ago a woman and her husband pulled in next to me as I was about to leave a parking lot and she immediately asked how I like my car. After I told her how happy I am with it, she said she almost bought one but decided to get a 2008 Corvette instead. I asked her how she liked that and she said, "it's fun, but high maintenance" and went on to tell me it had some electrical problems. She didn't say it, but her tone of voice indicated she thought she made the wrong choice. I left there a bit puzzled about the fact that a 2008 car has electrical problems.

I wouldn't have. I have left GM's customer fold because of all the issues with their QC. My WS6 was all but falling apart around the driveline when I traded it in. I would love a new Z06--if the valves weren't breaking due to heat and oiling issues, and I would like a new Corvette LS3 if it came in hard-top and didn't have oiling issues as well when tracked. I went and looked at GMs show-room at one of the dealerships here and the trash in the paint, misaligned body-panels (deck-lid un-evenly shut, not flush on one corner by a good margin, headlight fascia off by 1/3" side to side comparison, etc.) on a $50K car just turned me off. I mean, really? Trash down to the metal in the paint? THe car looked like a bad front-end collision repair job new on the floor. GM's failure to deliver a quality vehicle is exactly why I am now a member of this forum and considering a modded 370Z as my next large purchase.

Mike · 06-24-2010, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I wouldn't have. I have left GM's customer fold because of all the issues with their QC. My WS6 was all but falling apart around the driveline when I traded it in. I would love a new Z06--if the valves weren't breaking due to heat and oiling issues, and I would like a new Corvette LS3 if it came in hard-top and didn't have oiling issues as well when tracked. I went and looked at GMs show-room at one of the dealerships here and the trash in the paint, misaligned body-panels (deck-lid un-evenly shut, not flush on one corner by a good margin, headlight fascia off by 1/3" side to side comparison, etc.) on a $50K car just turned me off. I mean, really? Trash down to the metal in the paint? THe car looked like a bad front-end collision repair job new on the floor. GM's failure to deliver a quality vehicle is exactly why I am now a member of this forum and considering a modded 370Z as my next large purchase.

How can there be trash down to the metal on a vette? All I know is on my 350z, I had to have the engine replaced for oil consumption, the trans replaced for grinding, and seat covers replaced for premature wear. Th vette only had the power steering rack fail.

ImportConvert · 06-24-2010, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike

How can there be trash down to the metal on a vette? All I know is on my 350z, I had to have the engine replaced for oil consumption, the trans replaced for grinding, and seat covers replaced for premature wear. Th vette only had the power steering rack fail.

Down to the 'glass, sorry. BTDT with GM, and I'm not doing it again, or pulling any punches. The 'vettes have issues (LS3 when driven hard, and LS7 when driven at all).

Yes, electrical issues are big on GM. My WS6 had its fair share. TC would randomly turn off (fixed by replacing TPS), fuel would randomly shut off (fixed by replacing ground mounting screw under driver-seat, was stripped from the factor, IAC would hang (fixed by replacing IAC), Driver power seat would randomly stop working (never fixed), the speakers sucked (got tired of replacing them, and no, I was sensible with the 7-way and volume), the fog-lamp housings were cracked b/c they were not designed to hold up to the heat of the running lights (I replaced turn-signals every time it rained), the rear-end blew up backing out of the shop one time (at idle, pinion-bearing spun), the A/C crapped out after 10K miles of horrible racket, the water-pump went at 75K miles (Dexcool gets another...), The window motors on both sides of the car went out.

I am sure I forgot something, but there was GM's top of the line "pony" car for 2001 for you. I lived next to a guy who had a 2000 and it randomly died at stop-lights, had all sorts of issues. Both of our cars were OEM stock. NO mods, right down to the paper air-filter.

Also, the 350Z is not the 370Z, from what I understand.

Now the good about my WS6....

It killed NSX's, it killed Challenger R/T's, it was dead = to a C5 on the highway, it killed mustang GT's (not the new 412bhp ones), it was within 1 yard of being dead-even with the new 426bhp Camaro SS 6-speeds (based on 2 Camaro SS's that on numerous runs I was dead-even with except for the 1 yard or so they got on the hit. Up to any speed you want to discuss.). It got 27.5 OBXSERVED mpg one time on a road-trip at 80, AC and sterio on.

j.arnaldo · 06-17-2010, 09:52 AM

A bit on the side, guys: The forum was created to vent our opinions regarding our likes/dislikes concerning vehicles. When I post something--anything--it's not to stir up things; just to express my feel about a given subject. So, as far as I'm concerned, if Vette owners are glad with their choice, GREAT! If Z owners are glad with theirs, GREAT! We're all happy campers! Whatever ride you own, be a happy camper! No problemo!

05-27-2010, 05:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
Mike The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Loganville, GA Posts: 5,944 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 2187	If you care about interior quality, GM does offer an interior with a full linen/leather wrap that is pretty darn nice. __________________ NISSAN: 75 280Z / 86 300ZX GLL /87 Sentra SE / 03 350Z / 23 Z Porsche: 93 968 / 23 Macan GTS / 93 968

05-28-2010, 08:38 PM	#4 (permalink)
Mike The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Loganville, GA Posts: 5,944 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 2187	yeah, MSRP is higher, but they are always selling new ones as low as 39-42 on the corvette forum. My Z stickered at 34, My C6 at 49. I didn't pay that much for either of them, although I did pay 15k more for the vette than the Z __________________ NISSAN: 75 280Z / 86 300ZX GLL /87 Sentra SE / 03 350Z / 23 Z Porsche: 93 968 / 23 Macan GTS / 93 968

06-14-2010, 10:49 PM	#10 (permalink)
Lee123 Base Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Phoenix Posts: 84 Drives: 2010 370Z Roadster Rep Power: 16	A couple days ago a woman and her husband pulled in next to me as I was about to leave a parking lot and she immediately asked how I like my car. After I told her how happy I am with it, she said she almost bought one but decided to get a 2008 Corvette instead. I asked her how she liked that and she said, "it's fun, but high maintenance" and went on to tell me it had some electrical problems. She didn't say it, but her tone of voice indicated she thought she made the wrong choice. I left there a bit puzzled about the fact that a 2008 car has electrical problems. Last edited by Lee123; 06-18-2010 at 08:09 AM.

06-14-2010, 10:54 PM	#11 (permalink)
370Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Gold Coast CT Posts: 10,599 Drives: 2019 Corvette G.S. Rep Power: 43	The Z is much prettier than the Vette. This thread can now be closed. __________________ SOLD MY Z MARCH 2018 - another Core OG moves on - new ride 2019 Z Corvette Grand Sport - no mods necessary but already have eyes on HFC and intakes LOL IT NEVER ENDS.

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j.arnaldo Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 937 Drives: Nissan 350Z, 2004 Rep Power: 0	Dear ShadowQuad: Try WALKING 2 miles in 114F-degree weather, and f-e-e-l the difference 2 miles can make, bro'! My main point is reliability, though. Now I MUST admit GM is--it appears--really trying to improve their vehicles, and go the old way of quality, vs mass-production. I hope our Nation gets back on her feet soon, including Ford, Chrysler and GM reliability in cars.

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06-14-2010, 07:41 PM	#9 (permalink)
rmorrow Base Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Houston Posts: 79 Drives: 2010 370z Sports MT Rep Power: 16	One of my friends has a vette (2009). We trade off driving to lunch a couple of times a week. You can definately feel the difference in power between the vette and my 370Z, but the vette rides really rough, and the seats are not comfortable at all. My buddy actually says that he likes my Z car better, and says that he wishes that he owned one now that the new has wore off his vette. The most important point he has made...the vettes are all over the place...a dime a dozen. He does not see many 370Z's running the roads in Houston. He likes the Z's body style much better than the vette. Pretty good stuff coming from a vette owner!

06-17-2010, 09:52 AM	#15 (permalink)
j.arnaldo Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 937 Drives: Nissan 350Z, 2004 Rep Power: 0	A bit on the side, guys: The forum was created to vent our opinions regarding our likes/dislikes concerning vehicles. When I post something--anything--it's not to stir up things; just to express my feel about a given subject. So, as far as I'm concerned, if Vette owners are glad with their choice, GREAT! If Z owners are glad with theirs, GREAT! We're all happy campers! Whatever ride you own, be a happy camper! No problemo!