Follow-up analysis to Car & Driver crashing Nismo 370Z at VIR

gpa7pk

Any projection for an availibility of the "hush hush"....

Kyle@STILLEN

I'll see what I can do to bump it up the priority list for R&D. Now would be the best time though as the car is on the rack...I'll see what I can do this coming week.

Mike

how about availability for the ducts for my new bumper?

Although, I must say that I have had no boiling fluid issues since switching to Motul and brembo 6 pistons. I think its the mass of the calipers saving the day though.

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ChrisSlicks

I haven't boiled mine either with the beefy AP calipers, but rotor temps go sky high.

I'm very excited about what Kyle has up his sleeve, hopefully it can be made a priority.

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didymus

Well at least they printed a followup article..

ZKindaGuy

I think alot of folks here need to get real and finally come to the long and overdue undertanding with the fact that a "sports car" and a "race car" are entirely two different types of vehicles.

In addition folks here need to finally come to the understanding that the act of buying any car doesn't include making the car dealer or the manufacturer your personal indentured servant who will pay for everything to convert the car into something you think it should be meant to be.

BrianMSmith

Personally, I would not expect a standard road car to survive extended track use, at the speeds of an expert driver without modifications. I would track my Z, but I would not be going at near the speeds the journalists are. I took a Honda CBR600 motorcycle on the track once, in the slow group, and it's brakes would fade after 5 laps too.

semtex

I agree with both of you, but the problem is that Nissan markets the Nismo as its 'track-ready' variant of the Z. They're not marketing it as a standard road car. So the issue here is one of false advertising. Don't market a car as track-ready it if isn't. In some circles, that's called fraud. Now, according to the article, Nissan responded to this incident by now offering high-performance pads as a $580 option. In doing so, Nissan has pretty much admitted that they didn't equip the supposedly track-ready Nismo Z with brake pads that fit the billing.

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ZPirate

Well at least I was on the right track all along. I've already upgraded my brake pads, upgraded my brake fluid and added stainless steel brake lines. Next on the wish list will brake cooling ducts or whatever Stillen may come up with to help with the brake cooling issue.

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blackbird

Josh at Stillen: I really need the new brake vents to be compatible with your new fascia. The new fascia and NISMO rear and Siebon hood go on this week.pp

Mize

Kyle said they have ducts for the new fascia... (top of this page)

That could be the clincher for me buying the new fascia.

Also, why couldn't someone make ducts that mount to the fake holes outside the sharkteeth and route air directly to the pads? That would be a cheap solution, although it would mean cutting the stock fascia.

FuszNissan

Come on J hook Brake kit

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Urbanracer

I wouldn't mind seeing someone market something like whats on the Euro GT cup Z, not the most eye appealing solution but its functional, at least you could paint them to match.

http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...ismo-370z.html

ZKindaGuy

All that means is that the car is either made with more robust parts and/or has been tuned so it can be raced out-of-the-box. It is given "a" foundation that can be put on the track. It does not mean that it IS a race car that can survive all the rigors of the sport itself or the track without additional extensions being added or made to the car. And I'm sorry I don't see the oil cooler as being considered a "foundation" part. You will find that there are a slew of additional coolers that end up being added to a car that is raced and there is NO MANUFACTURER that is going to make that part of the foundation without somehow passing on the cost of those additional coolers to the person buying the Nismo which will end up putting the car out of range for purchase.

A race car isn't just dragged from track to track and expected to handle each track's UNIQUE character without some kind of physical adjustment being made or added to the car's configuration to make it more suitable for that particular track it is to be raced on. Therefore Nissan manufactures the Nismo as a flagship race design foundation car for those who wish to race it. It is entirely up to you and your pockets to have the money to invest into the car to allow you to have multiple configurations based on the individual types of tracks you intend to race the car upon.

So folks here either have to fully understand, accept and be willing to be constantly reaching into their own pockets all the time OR in the alternative try EARNING themselves a sponsor. And good luck on the sponsor one because NO SPONSOR in their right mind is going to even offer anyone anything unless they demonstrate a willingness and have the propensity to move beyond the infantile fantasies of being a "weekend wannabe".

Racing and RACE CARS are truly packed full with lots of science and physics that some folks here have no apparent comprehension or slightest awareness about. And Nissan isn't going to do nor pay for your education, homework, training or configurations that are needed...but what they do give you is a car with a reasonably good foundation and fair price to begin making your fantasies real.

And one other thing...people here have to f*ck the warranty excuses and rationale. The warranty is on the car and NOT for the buyer's intentions on how the car will be used. It is THAT SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND but apparently far more difficult for alot of people here to accept.

semtex

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your logic, but it seems to me you're trying to have it both ways. On one hand you want to say that track-ready means it's ready to be raced out of the box. But then you immediately say that all it is is a foundation and you can't really race it without additional extensions. Well which is it? If you can't race it without additional stuff, then it's not ready to be raced out of the box, is it?

As for more robust parts, what parts does the Nismo come with that are more robust than the standard sport pkg? Definitely not the brake pads (which is what this particular thread is about). They're the same pads as on the standard non-Nismo models. I'm not sure why you're dragging the oil cooler issue into this; I don't recall anyone saying anything about the Nismo's lack of a cooler in this thread.

Anyway, the only point I was trying to make was that the Nismo isn't track-ready, or race-ready, or however you want to put it, without a number of upgrades, like the brake pads, for example. I think you and I agree on that point. The same thing can be said for the regular non-Nismo models, or pretty much any other car for that matter, so this doesn't make the Nismo a special exception. But that's my point. There's nothing terribly special about the Nismo as far as track-readiness goes. If the Nismo Z isn't track-ready without additional equipment, then the standard non-Nismo Z is just as track-ready as the Nismo Z; the standard non-Nismo Z is just as good a foundation, as you put it, as the Nismo Z. Both variations require the same additional equipment, do they not? (e.g., upgraded brake pads, oil cooler, etc.) And the only reason I'm flagging this as an issue is because it contradicts Nissan's marketing. Really, it's Nissan's marketing that I have a beef with, not the car itself.

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